Heya Lynna, awesome work on showing that mech is not as dead as some people say it is . I have some questions for you about mech TvP, since that is my worst matchup.
I think that my low winrate (about 35-40% in high dia EU) is mostly due to poor adaptation to what my opponent is doing. Protosses have so many different opportunities for allining (off of 1 base). If I scout 2 gas and i think he is proxying, i feel like i have to be safe against oracles, immortal busts, dts and blinkstalkers at the same time... Even when i find the proxy its often too late to even set up a good defense. I watched your VOD on TvP mech and I'm wondering what deviations you make to respond to a protoss allining. Things such as how many bunkers at which time when you expect an immortal allin, how to hold off blink stalker MSC allins into dark templar, etc.
Also, in the VOD you played really passively (great possitioning and the ghosts did wonders for you). However, i often find that protosses past the early game are quite content to just build up a massive doom army with immortals, archons and air (voidray / carrier / tempests). I feel like I'm the one who needs to put the hurt on my opponent in stead of him suiciding his maxed army into my siegeline. Obviously attacking is a lot more tricky then defending with mech, so how do you deal with such passive protoss play?
I recently started to use a build based on Streloks play in the WCS EU season 1 qualifiers. Day9 did a daily on it (http://day9.tv/d/Day9/day9-daily-575-mech-vs-protoss/). This style has a philosophy of 'less is more', where you simply get to 3 bases and use 6 factories to max out on hellbats and tanks. This allows for a maxed mech push at around 15 minutes, hopefully letting you kill protosses army and at least surviving his warpins. I seem to have some problems with the execution though (either I mess up my macro, or get out of possition with my army, or my opponent goes for warp prism drops and harasses me to death). This is why I can't really tell if the build is solid or if it actually doesnt work against good protosses.
On July 15 2013 23:42 G-force wrote: Heya Lynna, awesome work on showing that mech is not as dead as some people say it is . I have some questions for you about mech TvP, since that is my worst matchup.
I think that my low winrate (about 35-40% in high dia EU) is mostly due to poor adaptation to what my opponent is doing. Protosses have so many different opportunities for allining (off of 1 base). If I scout 2 gas and i think he is proxying, i feel like i have to be safe against oracles, immortal busts, dts and blinkstalkers at the same time... Even when i find the proxy its often too late to even set up a good defense. I watched your VOD on TvP mech and I'm wondering what deviations you make to respond to a protoss allining. Things such as how many bunkers at which time when you expect an immortal allin, how to hold off blink stalker MSC allins into dark templar, etc.
Also, in the VOD you played really passively (great possitioning and the ghosts did wonders for you). However, i often find that protosses past the early game are quite content to just build up a massive doom army with immortals, archons and air (voidray / carrier / tempests). I feel like I'm the one who needs to put the hurt on my opponent in stead of him suiciding his maxed army into my siegeline. Obviously attacking is a lot more tricky then defending with mech, so how do you deal with such passive protoss play?
I recently started to use a build based on Streloks play in the WCS EU season 1 qualifiers. Day9 did a daily on it (http://day9.tv/d/Day9/day9-daily-575-mech-vs-protoss/). This style has a philosophy of 'less is more', where you simply get to 3 bases and use 6 factories to max out on hellbats and tanks. This allows for a maxed mech push at around 15 minutes, hopefully letting you kill protosses army and at least surviving his warpins. I seem to have some problems with the execution though (either I mess up my macro, or get out of possition with my army, or my opponent goes for warp prism drops and harasses me to death). This is why I can't really tell if the build is solid or if it actually doesnt work against good protosses.
I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Cheers!
1) Well, my goal when making builds is to have to as little adaptations as possible when seeing any allin , due to the fact that -I can sometimes go full retard mode and totally miss something -Protoss are hard to scout So my builds are made to make sure that regardless of what i see, the adaptation is minor I usually do go for 111 (regardless of the expo timing) in order to get : - Marines - Mines (optional, depends of my build) - Tanks - 1 Raven - Banshee with 1 early bunker, which allows you to prevent most protoss idiotic stuff
2) Well, i play an even more passive style and aim for a big doom army (watch the 1h30 long game in the replay pack for that, read below)
3) Well, this build can work but this isn't really my kind of mech. For me mech is all about using your casters and having a strong army composition, aiming for lategame, while this build is all about brute-forcing your opponent with low tech units. Might as well play bio imo :p Fun to use sometimes, but then i prefer to use builds with earlier push (similar to my WoL 2 bases marines BFH tank banshees push)
Anyways, some little updates about myself : -Why no VOD? because i was both in a bad mood for some times ( i know, happens quite a lot, but hey, i'm quite a depressive guy) , and had tons of stuff to do at the holyday's start. -What will happens now ? Well , i got a big news : i'm currently changing my internet and might be able to stream from my own place §§§§§ . So i'll do the next vod normally (about tvz, i think) and then it'll depends how good the connection is. If i can stream , i'll do few vods with tons of streaming, if no stream, i'll try to get a rythm of like 1 vod / week once i get all my real life stuff sorted
Anyway, these days i'm doing pretty fine in the ladder , meeting good amounts of GM and slowly climbing again in the top 200 master, so don't worry, my mech is doing well ! :D
Sup' guys, time for some news -I'm restarting the VOD channel. I'm uploading a VOD to explain some stuff about it, but basically it's going to be mainly french now because it's just too hard to make each VODs in both languages, but i also want to have french-specific content. I'll still do some "relaxed" VOds in english (vlogs, advices about the game ,etc). -I'll stream more often and start making guides again (both in english!) (and btw, stream in 2-3hours , check the link on facebook in the op blablabla !:p)
I'm starting to enjoy the game again, basically played more in 2 weeks than i did in 4 months!
Hey Lyyna! I remember a while ago you commented on my original TvP mech guide. I just posted an updated version of it here on TL and the BNet forums. If you have any spare time I would love any feedback that you could provide since you are an experienced mech player yourself. =)
What unit composition should I go for when I see swarm hosts? If I get caught by surprise, how should I handle that, try and survive the free units or try and run around? I am getting better vs roach and muta with mech, but swarm hosts I don't do well against at all.
Imo, the best way to do so, is to use your thors with a tons of scv (i mean, like 12+) behind them to handle to first waves : try to use any early banshees (i also open with an early raven for the purpose of having 2 pdd vs early SH) to force him to move SH (by 'dancing' out and in thor range) if he's too close , and first of all, go hardcore on tanks. Once your tank numbers start to be enough to stabilise, i'll go for 2 more port (up to 3), slowly increasing my raven count. Use your first ones for pdd, and once you have enough (6+), start the missile counter-attack
I don't thing avoiding him is a good idea, since SH have an insane range, he can just move a few to block your force while keeping the others near you to harass your undefended bases
From a zerg players point of view, i would like to add a few tips:
1. BFHellion destroy locust. 2. Raven siegetank hellbat viking/thor destroy roach hydra viper. 3. Mech is all about defensive play in TvZ. Don't attack if you are not forced to do it(i.e. basetrade). 4. All yyour expansions beyound your 3rd, should be planetaries. OB's can be bbuild at home, and makes a great simcity.
If you want to know why i'm posting tips to terrans, then it's because i think that mech is hilariousl broken(e.g. overpowered) vs zerg, so i want DK and DB to notice the issue, and maybe buff zerg so they can deal with it.
On December 09 2013 00:29 cloneThorN wrote: From a zerg players point of view, i would like to add a few tips:
1. BFHellion destroy locust. 2. Raven siegetank hellbat viking/thor destroy roach hydra viper. 3. Mech is all about defensive play in TvZ. Don't attack if you are not forced to do it(i.e. basetrade). 4. All yyour expansions beyound your 3rd, should be planetaries. OB's can be bbuild at home, and makes a great simcity.
If you want to know why i'm posting tips to terrans, then it's because i think that mech is hilariousl broken(e.g. overpowered) vs zerg, so i want DK and DB to notice the issue, and maybe buff zerg so they can deal with it.
Regards, A high master zerg.
meh thats the boring mech style this "not attack" the "new" mech style like hto mario (high gm) plays it is ALOT attacking in tvz with 1 million mines, way more funnier ! and dont say its totaly broken (theres a reason only few terrans play it) there are good counters, you just need to know them ^^
Hello guys ! I wrote a first draft of a TvT guide (more like a bunch of advices and tips stripped together :D), which is currently in the op The form of it is really rough but well, 'bout time to start doing something useful in HotS !
On January 03 2014 10:29 Lyyna wrote: Hello guys ! I wrote a first draft of a TvT guide (more like a bunch of advices and tips stripped together :D), which is currently in the op The form of it is really rough but well, 'bout time to start doing something useful in HotS !
Yay I made it to your replay pack, the "fucking closest tvp match" :D It was the first time I played vs. a good mech player so I was taking really bad fights and got stomped even though I had like over twice your resources :D gg!
On January 03 2014 10:29 Lyyna wrote: Hello guys ! I wrote a first draft of a TvT guide (more like a bunch of advices and tips stripped together :D), which is currently in the op The form of it is really rough but well, 'bout time to start doing something useful in HotS !
Yay I made it to your replay pack, the "fucking closest tvp match" :D It was the first time I played vs. a good mech player so I was taking really bad fights and got stomped even though I had like over twice your resources :D gg!
Hehe, gg to you too. You had the right ideas to play vs mech, the only problem was the execution (and some luck from me :p)
EPT
. I have some questions for you about mech TvP, since that is my worst matchup. 
with 1 million mines, way more funnier !
