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Lyyna
Profile Joined June 2011
France776 Posts
April 29 2013 20:50 GMT
#41
On April 29 2013 23:45 Juice! wrote:
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On April 29 2013 17:56 MockHamill wrote:
On April 29 2013 12:04 HEYALEX wrote:
Funnily enough, I think mech in tvp is now more viable than in tvz.


Really? I have a 80% winrate in TvZ but only 40% in TvP at mid-Master level when going mech. I find it almost impossible to beat Protoss in a straight up game with mech, their army are just as strong as yours, maybe stronger, + more mobile.


i somewhat have the same (apart from the mid master level ^^)

Really wanna see how the mech will be explained here.
Looking daily

Yeah really sorry, i know i'm late, basically my schedule got all fucked up due to the fact i had to work the whole weekend :'(
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/459600-how-to-mech-them-cry-lyynas-mech-in-hots - The 2014 Mech guide ! http://www.twitch.tv/lyyna for stream and contact infos
Pookie Monster
Profile Joined October 2010
United States303 Posts
April 29 2013 20:58 GMT
#42
On April 29 2013 17:56 MockHamill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 12:04 HEYALEX wrote:
Funnily enough, I think mech in tvp is now more viable than in tvz.


Really? I have a 80% winrate in TvZ but only 40% in TvP at mid-Master level when going mech. I find it almost impossible to beat Protoss in a straight up game with mech, their army are just as strong as yours, maybe stronger, + more mobile.


Are you going hell bat Tank? My winrate at top 8 Masters is ~80%. My army comp is Thor Hellbat Ghost Banshee/Viking. more immortals = more banshee, more collosi = more vikings. Against Sky toss more vikings+ravens and fewer ghosts. Banshee harass hellbat drops.
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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-29 21:37:40
April 29 2013 21:31 GMT
#43
On April 27 2013 02:58 Porishan wrote:
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On April 27 2013 02:29 Shin_Gouki wrote:
Hellbat shouldn't be healed by medivac, otherwise the unit is fine.

This is cool to have, since I want more mech play :o

Then should it be armored unit, agree? And banelings will be a joke


Dunno, weirdly enough, in this weird world of sc2, I've always thought of being "armored" as a huge nerf... ^.^"

On April 30 2013 05:58 Pookie Monster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 17:56 MockHamill wrote:
On April 29 2013 12:04 HEYALEX wrote:
Funnily enough, I think mech in tvp is now more viable than in tvz.


Really? I have a 80% winrate in TvZ but only 40% in TvP at mid-Master level when going mech. I find it almost impossible to beat Protoss in a straight up game with mech, their army are just as strong as yours, maybe stronger, + more mobile.


Are you going hell bat Tank? My winrate at top 8 Masters is ~80%. My army comp is Thor Hellbat Ghost Banshee/Viking. more immortals = more banshee, more collosi = more vikings. Against Sky toss more vikings+ravens and fewer ghosts. Banshee harass hellbat drops.


Dunno, I think against less skilled players, mech vs zerg is a lot stronger than mech vs protoss (keyphrase being less skilled players). At least that is my experience (in particular because of the strong one base tactics).
Lyyna
Profile Joined June 2011
France776 Posts
May 04 2013 09:19 GMT
#44
So, i'm uploading the second VOD right now, but it seems i can't finish it (have to do it from school, since it would take litterally 3 days from my place), so what'll do is to upload this one (TvP mech changes in HOTS) and the 3rd one (TvZ mech, doing it this WE) on Monday !
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/459600-how-to-mech-them-cry-lyynas-mech-in-hots - The 2014 Mech guide ! http://www.twitch.tv/lyyna for stream and contact infos
Juice!
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium295 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-04 10:01:13
May 04 2013 10:00 GMT
#45
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Nvm, stupid me =)
Second place is just a fancy term for loser
DemigodcelpH
Profile Joined August 2011
1138 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-05 03:00:41
May 05 2013 02:59 GMT
#46
On April 30 2013 05:58 Pookie Monster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 29 2013 17:56 MockHamill wrote:
On April 29 2013 12:04 HEYALEX wrote:
Funnily enough, I think mech in tvp is now more viable than in tvz.


Really? I have a 80% winrate in TvZ but only 40% in TvP at mid-Master level when going mech. I find it almost impossible to beat Protoss in a straight up game with mech, their army are just as strong as yours, maybe stronger, + more mobile.


Are you going hell bat Tank? My winrate at top 8 Masters is ~80%. My army comp is Thor Hellbat Ghost Banshee/Viking. more immortals = more banshee, more collosi = more vikings. Against Sky toss more vikings+ravens and fewer ghosts. Banshee harass hellbat drops.


Might you have any replays of straight-up games where you don't win by being ahead via indirect methods? 80% is a huge claim; even HTOMario's worst mech matchup is TvP I believe (around 50%).
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2143 Posts
May 05 2013 17:12 GMT
#47
Love your strats Lyyna. Keep em coming please!
c0se
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany148 Posts
May 06 2013 04:48 GMT
#48
Please upload some replays. Cant watch vods with my bad internet connection.
Lyyna
Profile Joined June 2011
France776 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-07 14:49:51
May 07 2013 14:44 GMT
#49
02 (English) Talking about mech TvP in HOTS
First "general" VoD about TvP, i have 4 more VOD (2 french about TvP and TvZ, english one about TvZ, english one about the poll) but i can't upload them since the school's connection is failing today (so i have to restart the upload each time, and it doesn't have the time to complete, i'll reduce a bit the files' size and redo it tomorrow).

So, right now :
-There is a poll in the main post about what should i do in terms of english casting, i'll keep it for a week or two so i can see what people prefer (basically, suffer from my shitty accent while i work on it, or reading english subtitiles), complete it so i can know what most people prefer plz !
-Do not hesitate to say anything than can help me improve my cast. These are the first times i do "casting", which is kind of harder than streaming with commentary in my opinion, and i know that this is kind of shitty at the moment but i really want to improve. Of course don't go into insults/agressive stuff (that may sounds stupid to say this, but well, when streaming i remember getting a few angry "ZOMG U SPEAK ENGLISH LIKE SHIT FRENCH FAG", and i clearly prefer constructive stuff, especially since i will often ask some things to people who give me feedbacks in order to improve as fast as possible... even if it's true that i have a shitty accent right now)

Also, i know i'm rather vague in my casts right now, the problem is that
-HOTS is quite young, most builds/timings aren't known yet
-I only use my games (and i don't have a lot of these since i forgot to save most "good" games these last weeks from lan/internal tn) right now, so it's hard to find several games that fit a set theme and i have to use "general" games.
This aspect should improve over time ,but if i can't find enough of my games, i'll modify a bit how i choose games to cast and uses other's people games in order to talk about specific things (like doing a little VOD to talk about "how to defend this", using a few games from differents people to show differents openings/reactions). This is also the main reason my 1st replay pack is slightly delayed --'

Thanks you anyway for watching and for feedback !
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/459600-how-to-mech-them-cry-lyynas-mech-in-hots - The 2014 Mech guide ! http://www.twitch.tv/lyyna for stream and contact infos
Zarahtra
Profile Joined May 2010
Iceland4053 Posts
May 07 2013 17:20 GMT
#50
After having watched that, don't you harrass at all? Wouldn't that be very advantageous to force fx. static defenses. I mean in that game you were so passive I feel the toss didn't really need to attack you at all, and that was probably his biggest mistake, trying to engage your army rather than just prevent the 4th and get a lead where he could eventually wear you down.

I'm wondering, do you actually have a plan to engage the toss? Since you hit 200/200 and just waited until he attacked you... If he hadn't would you have pushed out?
DemigodcelpH
Profile Joined August 2011
1138 Posts
May 07 2013 19:23 GMT
#51
So you think the most optimal composition vs P is hellbat/tank/ghost now? Also Lynna while the vods are good for entertainment and seeing games if you plan to make a new mech TvP guide perhaps you can do it in text form? I'm having a bit of trouble understanding a lot of the dialogue. It IS a good video, but it's hard to understand.
Lyyna
Profile Joined June 2011
France776 Posts
May 10 2013 01:01 GMT
#52
@Zarahtra :

No i usually do not harass at all, and i don't often try to push out.

For example in this situation , i knew the protoss was preparing an air switch... but ALREADY maxed : it means it has to loose stuff in order to get his air units, meaning we have to fight, so i just waiting in my base in order to have a better position for the fight, forcing him to choose between replenishing with gateways/robo units (crushed by my tanks thors hellbats ghosts army) or air (allowing me to A move in his base and destroy him while he tries to accumulate these air units.)

@DemigodcelpH :
Yes, with some air (usually 1 port with techlab making whatever is needed : you don't need mass vikings imo until air battles/4 bases when you add at least 1 reactor port) and thors.

Yes, i plan to do a text guide, but this will not come until some time, since i need to make a new viable strat for the whole game, will probably take me at least a few more weeks. Until that you'll have to deal with VoDs, and for that ,don't forget the poll in the main post !
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/459600-how-to-mech-them-cry-lyynas-mech-in-hots - The 2014 Mech guide ! http://www.twitch.tv/lyyna for stream and contact infos
Lyyna
Profile Joined June 2011
France776 Posts
May 10 2013 13:57 GMT
#53

The TvZ video !

A little one (a bit vague i know) about how to play a defensive TvZ style on a map with hard-to-take bases (bel'shir vestige)

little video about the poll for english casting :

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/459600-how-to-mech-them-cry-lyynas-mech-in-hots - The 2014 Mech guide ! http://www.twitch.tv/lyyna for stream and contact infos
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12023 Posts
May 10 2013 14:35 GMT
#54
Just one thing I'd say about your latest video Lynna is when recording you might want to turn your game volume down, sometimes (especially with scans going on) it's really hard to hear you. ^^
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Lyyna
Profile Joined June 2011
France776 Posts
May 10 2013 14:50 GMT
#55
On May 10 2013 23:35 Qikz wrote:
Just one thing I'd say about your latest video Lynna is when recording you might want to turn your game volume down, sometimes (especially with scans going on) it's really hard to hear you. ^^

Yeah i realised that in some videos i forgot to put it lower . . i guess i'll just keep playing with low sound even when not casting so i'll not forgot to turn it down :D
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/459600-how-to-mech-them-cry-lyynas-mech-in-hots - The 2014 Mech guide ! http://www.twitch.tv/lyyna for stream and contact infos
Hatsu
Profile Joined March 2010
United Kingdom474 Posts
May 10 2013 22:27 GMT
#56
Thank you for the vods Lyyna, I have not gotten the chance to watch everything yet but I like what I have seen so far! Keep them coming and don't worry too much about your English, it's understandable in my opinion
Sedit qui timuit ne non succederet
BhostGuster
Profile Joined May 2013
Brazil10 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 23:53:47
May 10 2013 23:24 GMT
#57
On May 10 2013 23:35 Qikz wrote:
Just one thing I'd say about your latest video Lynna is when recording you might want to turn your game volume down, sometimes (especially with scans going on) it's really hard to hear you. ^^


This! Your english is just fine but the game volume is too loud and sometimes I miss what you're saying. I'm 5minutes into the video, will give feedback when I'm done.

EDIT: Finished watching. Very good video, but since english is not my first language and the sound was very loud I missed a lot of what you were saying . The Turret advice was very good, I often forget those.

You play a more passive style than I do, pretty interesting . I usually play a more "mobile" (lol) style with Thor/Hellbat and 5~6Tanks, I usually push when 2-2 finishes (I get double armory @ 8:30) but I'm finding very hard to fight against MASS Swarm Hosts (like 20 or more). What I'm trying to do is expand more agressively and do the air switch sooner against Swarm Hosts but I'm still about 50-50 doing that. How do you fight mass swarm hosts?

Other than that, very good thread in general.
Lyyna
Profile Joined June 2011
France776 Posts
May 11 2013 00:01 GMT
#58
On May 11 2013 08:24 BhostGuster wrote:
You play a more passive style than I do, pretty interesting . I usually play a more "mobile" (lol) style with Thor/Hellbat and 5~6Tanks, I usually push when 2-2 finishes (I get double armory @ 8:30) but I'm finding very hard to fight against MASS Swarm Hosts (like 20 or more). What I'm trying to do is expand more agressively and do the air switch sooner against Swarm Hosts but I'm still about 50-50 doing that. How do you fight mass swarm hosts?

Other than that, very good thread in general.

Usually versus mass SH, i'll focus mainly on tanks at first , in order to hold a solid position without losing anything to locusts, then ravens (i often use 1 TL starport making ravens/banshees in midgame, depending of the gas i have), using SM (and any remaining banshees) in order to snipe SH. I don't think the mass air switch is a good idea, except if he goes SH when you have like 4 or 5 bases, in this case you can land like 4 port and mass ravens/BC, but you'll still need at least 8-10 tanks in order to fight locusts without much loss
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/sc2-strategy/459600-how-to-mech-them-cry-lyynas-mech-in-hots - The 2014 Mech guide ! http://www.twitch.tv/lyyna for stream and contact infos
BhostGuster
Profile Joined May 2013
Brazil10 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-11 10:21:56
May 11 2013 10:20 GMT
#59
On May 11 2013 09:01 Lyyna wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 08:24 BhostGuster wrote:
You play a more passive style than I do, pretty interesting . I usually play a more "mobile" (lol) style with Thor/Hellbat and 5~6Tanks, I usually push when 2-2 finishes (I get double armory @ 8:30) but I'm finding very hard to fight against MASS Swarm Hosts (like 20 or more). What I'm trying to do is expand more agressively and do the air switch sooner against Swarm Hosts but I'm still about 50-50 doing that. How do you fight mass swarm hosts?

Other than that, very good thread in general.

Usually versus mass SH, i'll focus mainly on tanks at first , in order to hold a solid position without losing anything to locusts, then ravens (i often use 1 TL starport making ravens/banshees in midgame, depending of the gas i have), using SM (and any remaining banshees) in order to snipe SH. I don't think the mass air switch is a good idea, except if he goes SH when you have like 4 or 5 bases, in this case you can land like 4 port and mass ravens/BC, but you'll still need at least 8-10 tanks in order to fight locusts without much loss


Most zergs will have a few hydras and an overseer with their SHs, or sometimes they'll even put up spores up near the SHs if the creep spread allows it. I guess I'll try increasing the Tank count.
chuky500
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
France473 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-11 11:14:06
May 11 2013 11:09 GMT
#60
I'm a platinum protoss and I had a game last week where the terran only made thors and mines, like 50% thors 50% mines or something like that. I didn't scout well so I didn't really know what to expect and went for a wierd mix of HTs and Immortals and lost my army to his push, then I played from behind and his repop was big. He was scanning to kill the obs and i was trying to storm his mines. Macro wise I was good before that push in my opinion. He made his push with 3 factories when I watched the replay, then made more. The push was at a standard medivac timing push. What do you think of this thors mines mix ? Is is something that only works because it's not usual and platinum don't scout well, and that would get destroyed to immortals out of 2 robos, or something that has inner power that should be explorated more ?
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