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shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
April 28 2013 16:41 GMT
#81
I hadn't even put 2 and 2 together until tonight. Now that I'm in Platinum, am I past the point of watching fun TL replays and reading build guides on the forums?

Ahah you don't get it.
This is the point where you should be starting to learn new build orders on forums and read macro/micro guides,you don't need them for a league bellow platinium where you can just watch a bunch of progame and try to emulate it.
The moment you get in platinium is the moment things are starting to accelerate,its now that you need to start looking for builds,scouting guides...




Can I no longer be a casual lurker and play a few games a week? Is this where a Starcraft player has to crank it up a notch from "Casual"?


Regarding the number of game per week tbh i think it depends on the person,some of them have natural talent and some haven't.
Me i'm just diamond and i only play like one game a day with some breaks,with some period being more intensive (no exams...)
And my rank has not been downgraded but it upgraded so i guess more games =/= faster skill learning.
You should play less and concentrate on some of the game facet you lack or want to improve (macro/inject/split)
And everything should be just fine until diamond.

Master and more on the other hand requires way more of your time i think.
RIP MKP
GleaM
Profile Joined June 2011
United States207 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-28 17:00:59
April 28 2013 16:59 GMT
#82
Here's an answer that a lot of people are going to dislike...

Some people simply have higher skill. That's just it.

I've been playing chess for years, as well as other games, which allows me to have extremely good strategy, tactics, ect. I play less than 100 games per season, and I'm a top 15 master league player. I generally play with around 100 APM, and I don't lurk the fourms looking for gimmicky all-ins for ladder point boosting.

I have a friend who has played THOUSANDS of games, sometimes playing 1000 games in a SEASON! He is a platinum level player. Why? I honestly think some people are just not as good at strategy games. Some people just can't seem to understand the values of mobile armies vs static armies, or counterattacks, or flanks. It's just the way it is. There are ways to improve skill, but sometimes talent is talent, and lack thereof is what it is.

EDIT: I don't think it has anything to do with your race btw; not sure why you included this in the OP
MrGh0st
Profile Joined March 2013
United States35 Posts
April 28 2013 17:37 GMT
#83
Wow! Didn't expect this volume of responses!

I appreciate all the input, I decided to put the number of games mentality behind me and I climbed the ladder some more (Top 8 now) but the season has locked. At any rate I think it's how Shid0x put it, time to start really studying the guides and discussions here and elsewhere.

As for the talent comment, I couldn't agree more. It's possible I could or could not possess the talent to get behind Plat/Diamond...who knows?

And I included my switching Zerg in the OP just to give a little bit of background to my suckery
HOW THICK WAS THE GLASS?!
FCReverie
Profile Joined April 2013
Australia103 Posts
April 28 2013 20:00 GMT
#84
On April 29 2013 02:37 MrGh0st wrote:
Wow! Didn't expect this volume of responses!

I appreciate all the input, I decided to put the number of games mentality behind me and I climbed the ladder some more (Top 8 now) but the season has locked. At any rate I think it's how Shid0x put it, time to start really studying the guides and discussions here and elsewhere.

As for the talent comment, I couldn't agree more. It's possible I could or could not possess the talent to get behind Plat/Diamond...who knows?

And I included my switching Zerg in the OP just to give a little bit of background to my suckery

I think that talent doesn't really come into it that much tbh. It is all just how you think about things and if you practice effectively and really think about your losses and wins or if you just ladder and play.
virpi
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Germany3598 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-29 15:58:32
April 29 2013 15:53 GMT
#85
Let's say the amount of talent a player has is directly proportional to the speed he can learn new things. The more talented you are, the less games you'll need to hit the higher leagues. Sc2 is a very complex game, where mechanics, knowledge, mindset, physical skills (hand-eye coordination), and the understanding of rts concepts like timing all are important.

It took me about 1000 games to finally get good enough to exploit holes in my opponents' builds. I used to play in autopilot mode for a long time, which means that I was capable of making tons of workers and tons of units in a decent amount of time - but I wasn't able to understand scouting information correctly, which led to lots of horrible losses. (I can still remember losing terribly to mech terrans, because I simply was refusing to adjust my army composition.)

In other words, it takes a lot of effort to understand the little things. Seeing a forge fast expansion tells you about the basic possibilities you have, but it won't tell you exactly which build the protoss will do after that. Beginners will go for a double expansion as zerg, but many of them won't scout properly after that, which will lead to wrong decisions. Better players constantly check their opponent AND they're able to read the infos the right way. (gas timings, upgrades, probe count, etc.)

Over time, I developed an okay-ish understanding of the game (and better mechanics), which now allows me to react correctly to things I scout, I've just recently jumped from diamond to mid-masters in one season - which means nothing. I'm still bad.

To OP: Basically, everyone sucks at this game, and so do you, so do I. Even pros often say that they can't play the game well, even though they might beat 99,9% of all active players with ease. It's all about perspective and dedicated practice. If you're able to practice with focus, you'll soon be able to climb the ladder. Be realistic and concentrate on improving YOUR game, because that's all what matters at the end of the day.
first we make expand, then we defense it.
arcHoniC
Profile Joined January 2011
United States141 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-29 16:34:12
April 29 2013 16:22 GMT
#86
You should look at total games played and compare that to league, took me about 3k games to get to masters, how many games have you played total?

Gl on madder man
'Let's lock the doors and make these guys play all night!' - Tasteless
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