[d] Strelok's probe roasting into mech tvp

On April 17 2013 04:36 Paljas wrote:
while i like the idea behind it, this build has two incredible big problems.
The gas first does not only completly reveal your plans, making it incredible easy for the protoss to react to this,
but also lets you be very weak vs the common Stalker/MsC poke.

On April 17 2013 05:17 JanLui wrote:
the gas 1st ist not revealing everything : why may the T not go for mine expo ?

Because gas first is a 100% sign for a factory pressure build. You dont go gas first into mine expo.

edit :
ok thank you Sir <3 <3 <3

On April 17 2013 05:17 iAmJeffReY wrote:
I got a slew of replays going gas first hellions vs protoss and winning in under 10 minutes. It's my go to on whirlwind, and newkirk, and even daybreak.

I go into bio and FE and go for a marine heavy stim timing with scvs and hellions. If they go collsai, I get 2 port vikings and pull scvs to finish the all in.

On April 17 2013 06:08 Paljas wrote: Reactor hellion play is very potent vs Toss,
transitioning into a weird one base bio-hellion all in is not.

On April 17 2013 03:08 JanLui wrote:
Hello dear TL Terran players!

I rewrited this post, it has always been a gas fist reactor hellions vs Protoss, but now that Day[9] has popularised the Terran Hellbat-Mech this opening makes even more sense.

BASIC IDEA : We will do the almost fastest hellions possible, into 1/1/1. It is gas first reactor hellion opening, We will produce 4 hellion and put pressure on probes while building a starport.
Then we produce 4 mines, and 1 medivac/viking depend on scouting. Eventually CC @ 6:05 minute mark.
StimmedProbe's idea rules : a fast reactored factory to get very quick hellions and mass them to rost every probes! This makes even more sense with the new widow mine being produced by the same building > synergie !!




EDIT and now displayed by Day[9] on his Daily #575 - Terran Hellbat-Mech vs Protoss P2
see here !
LOOK IT'S WORKING AT HIGH LEVEL ! You should watch this video if you like to play mech !


Aim to PUSH OUT with 2 first hellion @ 4:55 minute mark if the build is done properly. Checking proxy location with the 2 first hellions and sprinting to the Protoss mineral line as soon as they are 4, @ the 5:25 minute mark.
You really may get a quick win by burning every probes, or at least to gain a decisive economic lead.
This pressure occurs at an uncommon timing : go out check proxy with 2 first hllion and push with 4 hellion


Build order
Use close mineral trick to maximise your income.
10 depot at ramp to keep an eye on entrance
11 gas
13 rax (near CC cause its the key moment putting 3 scv on gas AND launching rax at the same second, benchmark @2:00 launch 14th scv : not cutting )
@3:05 = 17 food > FACTORY + REACTOR ASAP + OC
scv build two depot in a row (finishing wall straightaway)
@4:25 it's already time to mule & swap factory and produce 4 x hellions then mines
@4:40 build starport (=when you can afford) >>> to either defend oracle with viking or being more offensive with a medivac
build a CC @ 6:05 then maybe a third CC as strelok does ...


PROs:
bigger maps are OK since P is going to expand more frequently and its harder to scout you, and great travel distance is good for your hellions.
this sets you up nicely for the late game playing mech with tanks and battle hellions the Strelok way :D

CONs :
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NEW REPLAYS !!! :
http://drop.sc/330897 destroying blink allin before this can actually do anything
http://drop.sc/330896


I changed the title removing my own name cause I didn't create anything compared to high skilled players like Strelok, and deleting the word "cheese", cause it is not a cheese anymore, just an early aggression that can win you right out the game. It's not a guide because I don't have the level to be legitime at that (platinum) I just want to promote this style !

NOW I NEED YOU, GOOD OLD MASTER OR GM guys <3 <3 <3 try this out at good level, test it and say if you are also getting free wins, i'm pretty sure this can work very well against the current metagame : protoss opening with stalker > MSC. I wish someone the highest level improve this BO and optmize the transition =) and share replays!!! edit done by Strelok and Day[9] <3 <3 <3


Old replays as I was still experimenting with bio hellion all in... directly inspired from StimmedProbe's cheese >>> one http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=281115
+ Show Spoiler +


Love from France \o/

On May 06 2013 01:24 Jeece712 wrote:
" 1- Indeed, being aware of that threatening pylon block is important. you may chase his probe with a scv. ok its delaying a few seconds the switch. "

When you lift your barrack, he can build a pylon where the reactor is, and avoid you to use it.