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Make sure you read the OP before asking a question. Asking a question already addressed in the OP will result in moderation action. Also, please put some effort into your questions. Do not just ask for build orders.
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-29 21:17:08
November 29 2013 20:55 GMT
#4021
Any recommendations for a good 2 base PvT all-in? The OP only has a one base all in, and I'm not keen on the 1 base blink all-in either. This season, I am mostly doing all-ins: 11 gate in PvP and Immortal/Sentry or Gateway all-in in PvZ. All I can think of is the Immortal bust hitting before stim/medivacs or a Chargelot/Archon timing (but I'm not much of a fan of this, either).
KT best KT ~ 2014
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
November 29 2013 21:04 GMT
#4022
There's 2base blink timings out there, but other than that yeah, not many allins for PvT that are really reliable atm.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-29 21:10:59
November 29 2013 21:10 GMT
#4023
Thanks, Teo. I guess I'll stay with Immortal busts then and work on that, or try out Chargelot/Archon.

(Heh, or try out all the 1 base PvT all-ins.) :D
KT best KT ~ 2014
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
November 29 2013 21:12 GMT
#4024
On November 30 2013 06:10 aZealot wrote:
Thanks, Teo. I guess I'll stay with Immortal busts then and work on that, or try out Chargelot/Archon.

(Heh, or try out all the 1 base PvT all-ins.) :D


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=435336

The 2-base Duckfuck Build!! Try ittttt!!!!
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
November 29 2013 21:16 GMT
#4025
Thanks! I wiilllll! :D
KT best KT ~ 2014
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
November 29 2013 21:16 GMT
#4026
On November 30 2013 06:10 aZealot wrote:
Thanks, Teo. I guess I'll stay with Immortal busts then and work on that, or try out Chargelot/Archon.

(Heh, or try out all the 1 base PvT all-ins.) :D


2 base colossi all ins can still sort of work, one example was Genius vs MMA where Genius sat on 2 base and made 4 colossi and blink stalkers off 6 gates and then attacked and won. One of my personal favourites is the old MC 4 carrier 6gate all in from WoL, but with a couple of changes that account for a mothership core expand. Now i open with an oracle instead and try to do as much damage as possible without losing it. Revelation becomes really important once terran tries to move out, and the actual push with carriers is pretty strong if done well.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
aZealot
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
New Zealand5447 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-29 21:37:37
November 29 2013 21:20 GMT
#4027
You mean the carrier build MC used against Kas on CK? That sounds a fun build to try in HOTS. I'll try that too (but just for the lols, I think). That leaves me with 3 PvT builds for this season when 30 minutes ago I really only had one (Immortal bust).

Cheers chaps.
KT best KT ~ 2014
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
November 29 2013 22:34 GMT
#4028
On November 30 2013 06:20 aZealot wrote:
You mean the carrier build MC used against Kas on CK? That sounds a fun build to try in HOTS. I'll try that too (but just for the lols, I think). That leaves me with 3 PvT builds for this season when 30 minutes ago I really only had one (Immortal bust).

Cheers chaps.


Yeah the idea comes from MC's game vs Kas. HotS however allows you to be a lot safer and greedier with the mothership core, and the oracle allows you to harass early and be able to know where the army is once medivacs are out. Also, it's extremely hilarious when u win which almost makes it worth it on its own.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
aldochillbro
Profile Joined July 2012
187 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-30 22:31:20
November 30 2013 21:53 GMT
#4029
So i took notes off day1 of IEM and thought it was a good idea to share since I did them on my computer. These build orders are ROUGH and I can't claim 100% accuracy although I paused and rewinded frequently in order to try to be very accurate. My focus is on the openings, so I usually stop when battles start and play become reactive. underline means that person won the game. give me feedback on this or tell me not to post these anymore or if they're too long, etc.
I tried to link the videos but forgot for some. they should be on IEM's page so you can access them from the videos i did link or just go to sc2casts.com
+ Show Spoiler +


Squirtle vs feast g1 pvp frost(4p map)
Proxy stargate

15 gas 2x
18 pylon at proxy
19 stargate
19 msc
21 warpgate
start probe productin again
oracle, stalker
30 2x gates
blink to end game

squirtle vs feast g2 pvp yeonsu

15 2x gas.
19 gate #2
21 msc(chrono)
23 stalker
27 ~440 twilight, 2x stalkers
blink
feast went 2 oracle contain into robo into immortals and second bas. Squirtle went double stargate pheonix when he saw it and slowly expands.

what feast did:
15 gas 2x, 3 on each
21 stalker, wg
24 ~410-415 stargate
~25 like halfway through stargate msc
stalker
oracle
~600 2x gates
second oracle made, used both to contain



squirtle vs avenge pvp frost g1
squirtle:
15 gas 2x, 3 in each
zealot after(not right after) core but cancels
21 ~340 msc, wg
sentry
27 nexus
27 stargate
probe production and a sentry #2
stalker
oracle, then into pheonix
6:00 2x gates
3rd gas maybe around 7 minutes
735 double stargate

avenge:
15 gas 2x, 3 each
21 sentry, msc, wg(pylon before this)
sentry #2 after sentry#1
29 nexus
29 stargate
sentry when you can, halluc. 540ish
545-550 2x gates

san vs targa g1 pvz yeonsu
gate expand no ramp wall
15 gas
zealot then 23 expand, msc/wg after
25 pylon
27 ~440 2x gates, then sentry
4th gate in main like 500
after attack killing third, sg 735ish, then 2x gas

g2:
12gate 15 gas no wall
zealot
wg, nexus 23
targa went weird burrow play, got smashed

oz vs effort pvz yeonsu g1
1 gate fe no gas at ramp vs 14/14 speed(5:00 speed done) ,scouted after second pylon
zealot before nexus, nexus 21(keep probes going)
22 double gas, zealot, 24 pylon
29 or so sentry/msc.
Oz messed up his micro but it’s hard to hold that.
He went like 830 stargate into oracle off 1 base then expand and kinda made it work but eventually lost
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-30 21:55:07
November 30 2013 21:54 GMT
#4030
Do you mind making a blog post or something to not clog up this thread, maybe with a few more notes? This is more of a Q/A thread.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
aldochillbro
Profile Joined July 2012
187 Posts
November 30 2013 22:02 GMT
#4031
I don't feel important enough to make a blog post about it lol, just trying to contribute to the thread. I won't do it anymore but should I edit my last post out?
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
November 30 2013 22:18 GMT
#4032
On December 01 2013 07:02 aldochillbro wrote:
I don't feel important enough to make a blog post about it lol, just trying to contribute to the thread. I won't do it anymore but should I edit my last post out?


Maybe just put it in spoilers. Thanks for the notes though!
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
November 30 2013 22:19 GMT
#4033
Hey, you can contribute no matter what!
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
aldochillbro
Profile Joined July 2012
187 Posts
November 30 2013 22:32 GMT
#4034
On December 01 2013 07:18 SC2John wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 01 2013 07:02 aldochillbro wrote:
I don't feel important enough to make a blog post about it lol, just trying to contribute to the thread. I won't do it anymore but should I edit my last post out?


Maybe just put it in spoilers. Thanks for the notes though!

good suggestion, just did it. If ppl like this I might do this again sometime
suicideyear
Profile Joined December 2012
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
December 01 2013 22:23 GMT
#4035
i stopped playing about 5-6 months ago and now i'm playing like a retard. i don't remember anything. i played terran and switched to protoss now so i just about became a beginner now, but i'm doing shit like walling myself in to my first base and not realizing it until i try to make a nexus in the natural or whatever. i need help from square one i guess.

is there a video like filtersc - bronze to masters that goes over protoss mechanics and everything.
)))____◎◎◎◎█████
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
December 01 2013 22:30 GMT
#4036
Not that i'm aware of, but you can take a look at the recommended section to have a bunch of builds.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Mantaza
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany87 Posts
December 01 2013 23:23 GMT
#4037
are the Dreamhack replays going to be available soon ?
Wanna look at some builds from them since i havent played for 3months now.
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13407 Posts
December 02 2013 02:19 GMT
#4038
On December 02 2013 08:23 Mantaza wrote:
are the Dreamhack replays going to be available soon ?
Wanna look at some builds from them since i havent played for 3months now.


usually they get released pretty quickly.

On a side note:

Teoita and SC2John are having a grudgematch:

http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=437115#1

(and yes I have been plugging this wherever possible non stop for the last 10 minutes, this is the last place I have to put it)
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
HelpMeGetBetter
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
United States764 Posts
December 02 2013 17:11 GMT
#4039
in PvT - I'v been trying a early Blink play, but see my opponent is going for Mech. Every time I end up losing the macro game. Any tips on how to beat Mech after opening with Blink?
EsportsJohn
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States4883 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-02 18:17:56
December 02 2013 18:16 GMT
#4040
On December 03 2013 02:11 HelpMeGetBetter wrote:
in PvT - I'v been trying a early Blink play, but see my opponent is going for Mech. Every time I end up losing the macro game. Any tips on how to beat Mech after opening with Blink?


Just pressure and keep him from moving out. Most of the time players will take a 3rd and go double robo immortal production behind this. cj_hero played a pretty convincing game against Mvp at IEM this past weekend:

CJherO vs Mvp IEM Singapore
StrategyAllyssa Grey <3<3
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