EPTI usually find myself in position with faster upgrades and bigger roach count. But defenders advantage is too big in ZvZ for me to break them.
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Veriol
Czech Republic502 Posts
I usually find myself in position with faster upgrades and bigger roach count. But defenders advantage is too big in ZvZ for me to break them. | ||
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XllX
Germany23 Posts
On July 06 2013 02:49 CommanderS wrote: How do you properly hold double rax proxy reaper? In this replay I wanted to produce queens constantly while holding the reapers back with zerglings but I couldn't get a comfortable number of queens out since he already had 5 reapers when my first 2 popped, so he was able to kill them pretty easily. He won that game with 0 units lost. Everything else being equal, you had enough excess resources to get the first queen 15 seconds earlier and the second queen 8 seconds earlier. After your first 4 pairs of lings you spent the next four larvae on drones instead of lings. Had you built the queens in time and not droned, you could have held. | ||
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Kaleidos
Italy172 Posts
On July 06 2013 03:38 Veriol wrote: In zvz when you go late gas style roaches (Snute style). What to do vs oponent with fast ling speed that takes quick third? I usually find myself in position with faster upgrades and bigger roach count. But defenders advantage is too big in ZvZ for me to break them. You might wanna check this vod Snute_Roach_play. Snute explains in details exactly what you are looking for  Basically what he would do in that scenario is to take his own fast 3rd (just not as fast as his opponent's) and then adding 2nd & 3rd gas while teching to speed roach +1 (lair first!). Upgrades will kick in so fast that you are able to put pressure back on your opponent and make them count. | ||
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DjayEl
France252 Posts
On July 06 2013 05:00 Kaleidos wrote: You might wanna check this vod Snute_Roach_play. Snute explains in details exactly what you are looking for Basically what he would do in that scenario is to take his own fast 3rd (just not as fast as his opponent's) and then adding 2nd & 3rd gas while teching to speed roach +1 (lair first!). Upgrades will kick in so fast that you are able to put pressure back on your opponent and make them count. What VOD buddy? I'd love to see it as well. EDIT: Nevermind, you edited your post and put the link. Sorry for posting. | ||
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ReMinD_
Croatia846 Posts
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CuttyVu
Czech Republic28 Posts
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
Need advice on unit composition, engagement ideas, and general strategy. Thanks. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
On July 06 2013 16:40 Angelbelow wrote: I'm sure this has been asked so I apologize in advanced, but I am losing to late game protoss with the Mass voids/colossus and sometimes tempest/HT composition. Need advice on unit composition, engagement ideas, and general strategy. Thanks. Couple things you can do. hydra/swarmhost/ultra/viper (with some infestors if you choose) hydra/ultra/viper/infestor Swarmhost + mass static defense + viper + queens and can do corruptors (abducting the voids into spores and shooting them with corruptors). | ||
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Angelbelow
United States3728 Posts
On July 06 2013 16:58 blade55555 wrote: Couple things you can do. hydra/swarmhost/ultra/viper (with some infestors if you choose) hydra/ultra/viper/infestor Swarmhost + mass static defense + viper + queens and can do corruptors (abducting the voids into spores and shooting them with corruptors). Thanks, I haven't tried anything with the Viper yet so will definitely be adding them. Would the binding cloud be effect here as well? | ||
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Geo3
United States63 Posts
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loginn
France815 Posts
On July 06 2013 17:10 Angelbelow wrote: Thanks, I haven't tried anything with the Viper yet so will definitely be adding them. Would the binding cloud be effect here as well? No, the blinding cloud would be mostly ineffective in this situation. Abduct is the better spell there. | ||
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MaSsan
United States143 Posts
On July 06 2013 17:19 Geo3 wrote: I've heard talk of a fast +1 carapace build for ZvZ. Can someone break it down for me and explain what it entails? An exact BO would also be nice. you open standard way you do, with hatch pool gas in any order. then you get evo chamber @ 100 gas, start armor, then speed right after while you stay @ 1 gas. This build is vulnerable versus early bling busts, but once armor is done you can easily pressure into 3rd with few bling or none, while you get yours. | ||
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wcLLg
United States281 Posts
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Spec
Taiwan931 Posts
On July 04 2013 22:14 Henk wrote: Scout their main base - check for gases. If he only has one he's doing the mantrain. Then get bane nest, spread some creep, roll over his army with 15 banelings and cleanup with lings. Make sure banelings don't hit the immortals. Hey Henk. Can you show me a replay of this? I know how to scout and what to make, but I've never made the engagement happen. | ||
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Henk
Netherlands578 Posts
On July 07 2013 12:09 Spec wrote: Hey Henk. Can you show me a replay of this? I know how to scout and what to make, but I've never made the engagement happen. Hey there. Sadly I don't have any replays (it's a while since I've played against it) but it basically consisted of me having 15+ banelings and engaging him when he's on creep, then clean up with lings. I usually go 1/1- 2/2 into ultra afterwards, although they usually just leave. | ||
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Spec
Taiwan931 Posts
On July 07 2013 18:47 Henk wrote: Hey there. Sadly I don't have any replays (it's a while since I've played against it) but it basically consisted of me having 15+ banelings and engaging him when he's on creep, then clean up with lings. I usually go 1/1- 2/2 into ultra afterwards, although they usually just leave. Okay. Please P/M me when you get across one of these games again. Few questions. Do you wait until he wasted more warp-ins to engage with his zealots so your banelings are more efficient? How were your unupgraded lings able to cleanup when the immortals could hide inside warp prism and additional +1 zealot warp-ins are incoming? | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
On July 07 2013 22:48 Spec wrote: Okay. Please P/M me when you get across one of these games again. Few questions. Do you wait until he wasted more warp-ins to engage with his zealots so your banelings are more efficient? How were your unupgraded lings able to cleanup when the immortals could hide inside warp prism and additional +1 zealot warp-ins are incoming? You should be able to hold this with pure roach You clean his zealot up, especially if you have speed on the roaches (semi fast lair) | ||
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obis
Canada98 Posts
can someone help me try to reach 42 supply before my initial larva pops from the hatch in my main and natural? the reason is that i would like to use that larva to saturate two geysers in order to tech up. i can only get to 38, my goal is to get 32 drones, 16 in each min field and 2 sets of lings, plus the 4 queens. so thats 42 supply, the thing is that i can't get those 32 drones out before my larva pops and i just want to do this build as clean as i can. | ||
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Kestnuts
United States29 Posts
http://ggtracker.com/matches/3643457/replay | ||
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Spec
Taiwan931 Posts
On July 08 2013 07:45 Kestnuts wrote: I'm trying to figure out this ZvP I played on star station the other night. The toss player tried an immortal/sentry all-in (moved out late and failed), then tried to take an (also late) third, which I denied, while killing off a big chunk of his army and taking my 4th. He retakes his third as I'm droning my 4th, then double expands and I'm unable to deny them, and he also moves out with a zealot/archon force that completely crushes my swarm hosts. I've watched the replay and I still can't figure out how he managed to build up such an army. If someone could check the replay for me and tell me what I did wrong that would be great. http://ggtracker.com/matches/3643457/replay The build he did wasn't the traditional sentry immortal all-in. He got the twilight council as well as the third behind it. That's why he moved out late. I would question your decision to target the third nexus, i think you could've easily killed the army then take the base later. Evaluating 14:30, you're not as ahead as you probably thought you were. Hes been keeping up with upgrades and tech very well and you lost some lings inefficiently versus better up zealots before your +2 carapace kicked in. Loses were even on both sides, while you didn't seem to have an economic lead. You had three bases, but less drones, third was not saturated. He actually has all his tech up and ready to go while you only got roach tech. His 3rd actually got rebuilt earlier, and he had probes there earlier. While mass roaches needed to be traded, you just sort of parked the army between the planetary nexus and his chargelot archon army, and didn't try to trade them away more efficiently. The SH comp was okay, he just caught you between spawns and killed everything. In short, he had very nice tech and comp advantage while you weren't really ahead economically and were unable to get favorable engagements. | ||
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