The HotS Terran Help Me Thread - Page 141

On August 05 2013 07:59 Rhaegal wrote:
What's the standard TvT opener now? I hate going 11 gas banshee, because it just seems like everyone goes cloak banshee as well and you are just killing eachother's scvs.

Is reaper, cc, 3 rax good in the current meta? and then just add turrets?

Cloak banshee comes so fast now, and it seems like if your opponent has good micro not even 3 turrets will stop it from doing damage and throwing you off.

On August 07 2013 23:13 Buchan wrote:
What are you guys doing in TvP right now? I really don't get it. I see pros doing reaper openings into widow mine drop harass into standard aggressive play. But I find that Protoss players too often all in for anything other than 1 rax cc to be viable. Reaper into factory play just dies against so many all ins form protoss. So I end up trying to do 3 rax early drop harass but it gets shut down every time by nexus cannon. So then I just try and identify whether they are going collosus/ high templar, build counter and pull all my scv's and 2 base all in.

The thing is my micro is good and I can control my army/ vikings/ ghosts but I feel that if it gets to the late game unless the Protoss makes a huge mistake I'll basically always lose even if I win engagements as best I can.

On August 07 2013 23:13 Buchan wrote:
What are you guys doing in TvP right now? I really don't get it. I see pros doing reaper openings into widow mine drop harass into standard aggressive play. But I find that Protoss players too often all in for anything other than 1 rax cc to be viable. Reaper into factory play just dies against so many all ins form protoss. So I end up trying to do 3 rax early drop harass but it gets shut down every time by nexus cannon. So then I just try and identify whether they are going collosus/ high templar, build counter and pull all my scv's and 2 base all in.

The thing is my micro is good and I can control my army/ vikings/ ghosts but I feel that if it gets to the late game unless the Protoss makes a huge mistake I'll basically always lose even if I win engagements as best I can.

On August 08 2013 00:50 Matta wrote:
What are people's thoughts regarding having a couple Vikings against Zerg when going mine/marine/medivac, to snipe off overseers and overlords? I feel like the most common transitions I'm seeing is ling -> bane/ling -> muta/ling/bane -> ultra/ling and I struggle hard against that with my forces; I get surrounded and then banelings just sweep through and wipe out my entire marine army. I actually do okay at fending off muta aggression, it's the engagements in mid that are cleaning me out. My initial thought is that those vikings would most likely get cleaned out by the mutas.

On August 06 2013 13:05 LiLSighKoh wrote:

I never said which comp was superior against roach hydra, I was just saying you can end up ahead if you survive that big initial attack from the zerg without losing a ton of stuff. Also read the first sentence i typed, I said "I don't see why you would go for tanks unless they are committing heavily to roaches, roach/hydra. Personally I always die to that big 2-2 attack if i'm going bio/mine, so when i scout that he's gonna commit to that composition, i lift and produce tanks. I agree with what you said though.

On August 08 2013 03:40 krooked wrote:
mygodsnameiskyle:

3 first bases always OC, then forth PF to help against runbys.

I went from bronze to platinum in 3 weeks when I first started, and the most important part is obviously: play a lot.

Other than that I think its important to learn a good opener for each match up that you get down super tight (remember to be fast and hit every timing), with a good idea of how you want the game to look. When you've figured out your opening for each match up and how you want to play it (watch pro's, replays and day9 etc, but PLAY A LOT!), you need to learn scouting techniques, so that you don't get cheesed. When you are comfortable against all ins, and you've been practicing macro and have knowledge about how the match up should play out, you will get better by playing, and you will be playing the correct way.

Since I've already started writing I'll just write a little guide here. I don't have too much experience in HotS, I was a high diamond player in WoL back in early 2012 then had a hiatus, but as I see it right now, this is the best ways to play the match ups these days:

General tips for all match ups:

- Do a FE-build, scout with your scv (check gas timings, chronoboost, and see if he gets an expo so you know if he's cheesing.

- Add production facilites. On two bases you can have 3 rax, 1 fact and 1 starport + engie bay upgrading. After that, just add production facilites and keep your money low

'- Get a third between 10-13 minutes, after that keep adding OCs.

- Understand the importance of upgrades - Do not forget to keep on upgrading, and if you choose to delay your upgrades you need to do damage to him.

- Scan enemy base at about 6-7 mins (especially important TvP TvT) to know if cloak units are coming,

- Except TvT, wall in your third / fourth with supply depots.

- DROP! In midgame/lategame you should be doing multi pronged drops at all times. Make sure your army can't get a-moved (keep marines ahead of your main army etc) and harass him. While the drops are going down, push up in the middle. This is effective on all levels, ridiculously good at your level.


TvT:

- 1rax FE into reactor hellions, pressure with marines, hellions and medivac. Its in the OP. If you execute this correctly you will just kill a silver player.

- Don't let him siege up outside your base, do that to him instead. He will probably lose

- Against mech and you've opened for tank marine, go bio with a lot of marauders. Do not attack his army, go for trades if you can but just drop a lot and keep taking out expands.

- Watch out for BC switch. If he has air control (more vikings than you) he can go for BCs and you just die, so be prepared with vikings of your own if that does happen.

TvP:

I recommend 1raxFE (gas 12 reaper exp or gas 15, two marines, reactor), then add 2 rax, e-bay if needed and factor+starport. Push out with stim and medivacs at about 10 minutes. Don't attack into him unless you are sure you will kill him. Go for a drop or just take map control. Most important thing is to see if he is going colossus or high templars. Look for his third, if he is taking it, take it out. Drop main base and rush in and snipe the third.

- If you see colossus, I recommend adding a starport and get a lot of vikings. When you are at about 140/150 supply, get ghost academy. In TvP, the bio mass is less important than vikings/ghosts. You need to hardcounter his AoE-units.

- Lategame, get a ridiculous amount of barracks. You need to remax QUICKLY even if you destroy the P in the engagement.

- Go for mass marine/ghost/medivac (vikings if needed) lategame. He will be warping in mass zealots and you need the dps to kill him fast.

- Go for his bases, do not go for the kill. You must win the war of attrition because you normally won't be able to camp his production and kill him off lategame.

- Make turrets and bunkers at your expos to kill DT/zealot runbys.

TvZ:

I recommend CC first (@14), rax(@15), double gas (@18] and use the cc as a supply depot. Scout with scv and look for lings w speed or cheeses. Take map control with hellions and secure your natural (wall in at natural). Go for double upgrades and get marines / mines en masse. When you get out medivacs, drop him several places while pushing up the map with your main force. Clear out creep and be slow and methodical. Don't go with the bulk of your army onto creep unless you can snipe an expo while his army is busy with your drops.

- Watch out for the ultra switch, defend your expands while taking out his. You will win the game if you achieve this.

Badly written but hopefully people can correct me on it. I think its decent advice and if you manage to apply it you won't be in silver for long