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dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
August 08 2012 12:44 GMT
#201
Lol lynna, why did you say battle hellion is weak vs heavy bio in tvt? Arent they gonna be so good vs marines?or maybe you meant vs marauders in the heavy bio force?

Well there is only 1 thing i hope for....that bio does not die in HOTS....I dont mind seeing mech viable, so people like kollin, yoshi night, lynna all can use the power of mech, but i certainly do not want to see bio die
Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
Crowned
Profile Joined August 2011
United States368 Posts
August 08 2012 16:05 GMT
#202
So what's the absolute money composition vs each race? The ultimate army I can turtle and defend until I get and then just go win.
It's cool to love to win, but it's better to hate to lose.
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
August 08 2012 16:28 GMT
#203
On August 09 2012 01:05 Crowned wrote:
So what's the absolute money composition vs each race? The ultimate army I can turtle and defend until I get and then just go win.


Thor battlecruiser ghost raven probably. Though that is super late game and very hard to get to.
Crowned
Profile Joined August 2011
United States368 Posts
August 08 2012 16:45 GMT
#204
Well I can just turtle at 4th while getting it and if they want to force an engagement into my tank line, then fine. But I can start to sacrifice units slowly as I build this ultimate composition.
It's cool to love to win, but it's better to hate to lose.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10328 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-08 18:21:44
August 08 2012 18:17 GMT
#205
Yeah what kollin said, but more realistically (before BC/Ghost with maybe Thor/Raven)

TvZ = Thor, Tank, Raven, maybe some ghost/viking (I can almost never get to BCs in TvZ... only on TDA haha, but Ravens for seeker missiles can happen often)

TvP = Thor, Tank, Ghost, BC

TvT = Thor, Tank, BC, Viking, Raven

These mentioned compositions won't just "win" you the game though, but they are definitely very strong.


TvP is the easiest to get to the BC/Ghost composition
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Crowned
Profile Joined August 2011
United States368 Posts
August 08 2012 18:32 GMT
#206
On August 09 2012 03:17 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Yeah what kollin said, but more realistically (before BC/Ghost with maybe Thor/Raven)

TvZ = Thor, Tank, Raven, maybe some ghost/viking (I can almost never get to BCs in TvZ... only on TDA haha, but Ravens for seeker missiles can happen often)

TvP = Thor, Tank, Ghost, BC

TvT = Thor, Tank, BC, Viking, Raven

These mentioned compositions won't just "win" you the game though, but they are definitely very strong.


TvP is the easiest to get to the BC/Ghost composition


Thanks.
It's cool to love to win, but it's better to hate to lose.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
August 09 2012 19:57 GMT
#207
Ever since I've started going mech I've noticed a lot more people randomly BM me/call me an idiot/insult me for using siege tanks as my main unit. Also all my matches usually go on for 40mins to 1 hour because I like to super turtle which I'm fine with, but what is it with mech that annoys people?
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kranten
Profile Joined January 2012
Netherlands236 Posts
August 09 2012 20:22 GMT
#208
Mass thor is also very good in TvZ. At some point they actually kill brood lords pretty fast.
GinDo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
3327 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 20:46:15
August 09 2012 20:46 GMT
#209
On August 10 2012 04:57 Qikz wrote:
Ever since I've started going mech I've noticed a lot more people randomly BM me/call me an idiot/insult me for using siege tanks as my main unit. Also all my matches usually go on for 40mins to 1 hour because I like to super turtle which I'm fine with, but what is it with mech that annoys people?


I get that alot. When people start screaming how BS Tanks are, I just make hearts. "(♥_♥) Why you so mean, I wuv you"
ⱩŦ ƑⱠẬ$Ħ / ƩǤ ɈƩẬƉØƝǤ [ɌȻ] / ȊṂ.ṂṼⱣ / ẬȻƩɌ.ȊƝƝØṼẬŦȊØƝ / ẬȻƩɌ.ϟȻẬɌⱠƩŦŦ ϟⱠẬɎƩɌϟ ȻⱠẬƝ
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10328 Posts
August 09 2012 20:53 GMT
#210
Hm I don't encounter any specific BM to my mech play =/

If they're BMing you, I recommend you

1) Immediately block them
2) Say "umad?" -- be sure you say this before he might say it!
3) he gets pissed off and you don't get butthurt as a result of your opponent's idiocy/immatureness
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12022 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-09 21:13:36
August 09 2012 21:13 GMT
#211
On August 10 2012 05:53 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Hm I don't encounter any specific BM to my mech play =/

If they're BMing you, I recommend you

1) Immediately block them
2) Say "umad?" -- be sure you say this before he might say it!
3) he gets pissed off and you don't get butthurt as a result of your opponent's idiocy/immatureness


I just don't respond, then feel happy about my win. :p

Before I took a super defensive position with planetaries and a few barracks walls at the side on Shakuras while having my third on the middle base, it took me a while to secure my fourth but I did so with the middle planetaries (not optimal) but it was TvZ. He threw all his ultras, broods and lings into me beforehand and remaxed himself, he came back in again this time trying to go around the side which was less defended, I obliterated everything he had, he said noob and quit. I felt glad I got another win but it just made me laugh that I'm the noob when he's the one throwing his units into the grinder. God I love mech <3
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10328 Posts
August 09 2012 21:42 GMT
#212
Haha yeah, i love how illogical those BMers are. They call you a noob or say you can't play or that you're a joke, yet they are losing to you so what does that make them...? lol
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
August 10 2012 02:14 GMT
#213
I mech specifically so that I can collect protoss tears about "impossible lategame".

I tried out tank/hellion style more in tvp, and fucking hate it. When maxing on tank/hellion I found no way to safely unmax to get a lategame composition. When doing tank/hellion just until 8 tanks before switching to normal composition (for extra harass potential) I find no real advantage, and I'm behind on tech (no port) and ghost count/energy. The money really doesn't work very well. Also I hate opening tank cc, because there's no hellion for complete map scouting.
aka Lyra; My favourites: July, Stork, Draco, MistrZZZ, TheStc, LastShadow - www.broodwarmaps.net - for all your mapping needs; check my stream: high masters mech terran: twitch.tv/lyrathegreat
ConstantSc
Profile Joined June 2012
Australia33 Posts
August 10 2012 02:57 GMT
#214
My Mech games seem to be going for 40 min +.. Can you be more aggressive and still come out ahead?

It is what it is - FilterSc
Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
August 10 2012 04:18 GMT
#215
Well, what builds are you doing in each matchup?
aka Lyra; My favourites: July, Stork, Draco, MistrZZZ, TheStc, LastShadow - www.broodwarmaps.net - for all your mapping needs; check my stream: high masters mech terran: twitch.tv/lyrathegreat
Aulisemia
Profile Joined August 2011
United States123 Posts
August 10 2012 04:26 GMT
#216
Cannot wait for HOTS so we will actually have a Mech unit below T3 that can shoot up. So annoying having Zerg go 10m mutas and losing because of any inability to deal with it other than reactor rax.
The ponciest ponce that ever ponced past a poncing palour.
ConstantSc
Profile Joined June 2012
Australia33 Posts
August 10 2012 04:54 GMT
#217
I generally go for 1 rax fe double gas into 3 factory 1 starport while taking a 3rd in every match up if i can.. Relatively successful v early aggression from all 3 match ups.. just not sure how to engage them early for a lead or heavy pressure without dying
It is what it is - FilterSc
Nightmarjoo
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States3360 Posts
August 10 2012 04:58 GMT
#218
Well, that's not exactly a game plan I'd recommend following, except in tvt. Maybe try looking at some of the reps posted in this thread (the op isn't updated yet) for ideas. E.g. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=15755304. Most if not all of those are 1.4.3 though. In a few days I'll release more reps from just 1.5.
aka Lyra; My favourites: July, Stork, Draco, MistrZZZ, TheStc, LastShadow - www.broodwarmaps.net - for all your mapping needs; check my stream: high masters mech terran: twitch.tv/lyrathegreat
ConstantSc
Profile Joined June 2012
Australia33 Posts
August 10 2012 05:00 GMT
#219
Is the reactor helion banshee your tvz opener?
It is what it is - FilterSc
dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-10 06:14:23
August 10 2012 06:05 GMT
#220
1. Night, In tvt mech, in your guide, why did you say mech is not immobile? You mentioned that this fact is a myth since mech can use hellions and banshees?

2. About mech in tvt again, lets say in cloud kingdom, theres lots of sieged tanks in the middle of the map. No bio army will ever want to come close to that. But then again, what about the other attack paths? Lets say oyu are a mech player in cloud kingdom, spawning in the north. as you take your 3th and 4th bases, they are far from each other, so if you are sieged in the middle, what defense will you have in 3rd and 4th base? A few sieged tanks may be good, but I heard/read that mech in small numbers are not strong?

If that is the case, then the bio can simply outmaneuver you by going left, right , left right? Even sensor tower won't nullify this since all it does is tell you where the enemies are. So you basically have to keep moving the army to left right left right to match the bio movement? OR leave 2-3 tanks in your 3rd 4th bases? But then again, like I said above, tanks are not good in small numbers are they?

EDIT: Night, perhaps you have got some replays that explain the situation above? Where the bio attacks your left base, then right base, etc. What would you do? In addition to this, I would love to see you play with banshees aggressively, to remove the myth of mech immobility
Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
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