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InfusedTT.DaZe
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania693 Posts
July 04 2012 13:48 GMT
#61
hwangsin used to do something similar in nasl pvp, wonder if he still uses it from time to time
"Echoes of past events nudge the tiller on my present course, I await its reflection in the future"
Tyler73123
Profile Joined July 2011
67 Posts
July 05 2012 19:12 GMT
#62
On July 04 2012 09:37 Kharnage wrote:
if i see an early scout, i immediately take 1 gas so this shit can't lose me a game. As someone pointed out, if they have done such an early scout, cutting a probe to put down 1 gas is easily justified.
It's just another cheese ladder build that works against people who don't know / think about it.


I imagine this is something that you only do on Cloud Kingdom for ladder right? On any other map it makes no sense to cut a probe for early gas just because you see a 9 scout. You have enough time to react if you seem them take a gas on one side of your minerals on any other map.
Payson
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States394 Posts
July 05 2012 19:29 GMT
#63
On July 04 2012 19:32 0Toph wrote:
For the low price of under 200 minerals you can block someone's tech by two minutes! It's brilliant!


Most players will notice the early scout and because both gases are typically across from one another, the most they should get is 1 gas geyser. They have to delay their gateway and have already cut probes, so basically now they are pretty far behind economically if they put another 75 minerals into stealing gas. See an early scout? Place one probe on hold position on your gas geyser. Voila! He can't steal it now!

It's not brilliant, just an unorthodox way to throw off your opponent that can easily be stopped by reacting properly.
tehemperorer
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States2183 Posts
July 05 2012 19:59 GMT
#64
On July 06 2012 04:29 Payson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 19:32 0Toph wrote:
For the low price of under 200 minerals you can block someone's tech by two minutes! It's brilliant!


Most players will notice the early scout and because both gases are typically across from one another, the most they should get is 1 gas geyser. They have to delay their gateway and have already cut probes, so basically now they are pretty far behind economically if they put another 75 minerals into stealing gas. See an early scout? Place one probe on hold position on your gas geyser. Voila! He can't steal it now!

It's not brilliant, just an unorthodox way to throw off your opponent that can easily be stopped by reacting properly.

Yeah pretty much this, good to know though thanks to this thread. If I didn't read it I might have lost to it instead of a cannon rush.
Knowing is half the battle... the other half is lasers.
Tyler73123
Profile Joined July 2011
67 Posts
July 08 2012 02:46 GMT
#65
On July 04 2012 22:48 InfusedTT.DaZe wrote:
hwangsin used to do something similar in nasl pvp, wonder if he still uses it from time to time


http://drop.sc/213455
Here's a link to the replay I think you were talking about. It's definitely still very viable.
lordsurya08
Profile Joined September 2011
United States141 Posts
July 08 2012 07:53 GMT
#66
On July 06 2012 04:29 Payson wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 04 2012 19:32 0Toph wrote:
For the low price of under 200 minerals you can block someone's tech by two minutes! It's brilliant!


Most players will notice the early scout and because both gases are typically across from one another, the most they should get is 1 gas geyser. They have to delay their gateway and have already cut probes, so basically now they are pretty far behind economically if they put another 75 minerals into stealing gas. See an early scout? Place one probe on hold position on your gas geyser. Voila! He can't steal it now!

It's not brilliant, just an unorthodox way to throw off your opponent that can easily be stopped by reacting properly.


Gas steals are unstoppable (unless you take the gas yourself). Yes, by placing a probe next to the geyser you can prevent the opponent's probe from building the gas but if the opponent's probe does not have vision of the geyser when the build command is given it will be able to build it nonetheless. This is a strange bug.

Unfortunately, I don't remember where I learned this. It was from some TL post or a Youtube video (not Husky's video). If anyone else can find it that would be awesome. I can't get on SC2 right now and so I can't test it out to verify that it still works.
Do, or do not. There is no try.
soapyy.
Profile Joined October 2011
United States103 Posts
July 08 2012 11:48 GMT
#67
I have had this done to me about 3 times. I just chrono 2 zealots and try to catch up, With the pooled money I just make gates.
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tsango
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia214 Posts
July 08 2012 12:47 GMT
#68
I always wondered if there was a 'correct response' to getting both of your gases stolen.
This seems to be a tutorial on performing it, which to be perfectly honest doesnt take a genius to figure out.
Surviving the follow up without a gas economy is something i feel like it would be worthwhile exploring as a guide - If you can legitimately play without gas it might even give PvP (potentially other matchups aswell) a new style of opening.
If you dont like something, then that should be reason enough to try and change it
thurst0n
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States611 Posts
July 08 2012 16:52 GMT
#69
No wonder people did this to me. If you already have scout in their base you can do it to them. Better have a follow up, because imma get another gate fast and make a crapload of units. hope you chrono ur gate
P.S. I'm nub. If you'd like you can follow me @xthurst but its not worth it ill be honest
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-08 17:18:56
July 08 2012 17:18 GMT
#70
I've also encountered this just once. When I saw my opponent taking both my gas, I took both his gas as well. He tried to pull a badly-executed cannon rush to follow-up, but it failed, so I just FE'ed while he wasted his minerals on pylons and cannons. After that point, it was pretty easy.
Tyler73123
Profile Joined July 2011
67 Posts
July 09 2012 15:15 GMT
#71
On July 08 2012 20:48 soapyy. wrote:
I have had this done to me about 3 times. I just chrono 2 zealots and try to catch up, With the pooled money I just make gates.


How does that work out? I often find that your tech is so far behind that you can easily lose to a 4gate or any other kind of play like blink, or a robo/immortal push.
Tyler73123
Profile Joined July 2011
67 Posts
July 10 2012 14:46 GMT
#72
On July 08 2012 21:47 tsango wrote:
I always wondered if there was a 'correct response' to getting both of your gases stolen.
This seems to be a tutorial on performing it, which to be perfectly honest doesnt take a genius to figure out.
Surviving the follow up without a gas economy is something i feel like it would be worthwhile exploring as a guide - If you can legitimately play without gas it might even give PvP (potentially other matchups aswell) a new style of opening.



The only reason you can play gasless and expand safely (with a forge) is because your opponent spent a lot of money sending an early probe, and taking both gasses. Trying to do it vs a regular opponent who is opening standard, they would be able to have a 4gate warp prism / 3gate blink with obs so much faster than a double gas stealer. I don't see it working unless you somehow are able to keep complete map control and deny your opponent of scouting. It's an interesting idea, I just don't see how it would work.
MightTV
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada2 Posts
July 13 2012 00:46 GMT
#73
Well when using this strategy when your opponent was gonna go A but after double gas steal he would have to go B sometimes cheese. Getting the early stalker would be a big advantage and this could work on small maps as your stalker will be able to get there fast enough to do some damage.

This strat is simple yet effective.
When life does not work out, Reload.
Asmodeusx
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
286 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 13:17:59
July 16 2012 13:16 GMT
#74
Someone did this to me today, and i menaged to get really ahead with my opening regardless. Here is a replay for anyone who needs an idea of how to deal with it:

http://drop.sc/222818 Both players are masters EU. I'm the red protoss in top right. After i sniped first obs, i didn't expect him to have another one already with his army that's why he caught me off guard and did alot of demage, but i was ahead enaugh and it didn't really matter as he got rolled over anyway.
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Lazermonkey
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden2176 Posts
July 16 2012 20:59 GMT
#75
I really disagree with those saying you should FFE as a response to this. First off, your opponent could just pylon block if he sees your forge(which he will). But even if he respondes in the wrong way it still a tough situation to be in. You will not be able to scout him unless you get lucky with a probe. And if you can't scout him it basically becomes a rock paper scissor game at this point. If he goes for gateway agression like 4-gate you will need a gazillion cannons to be able to deffend. But if he goes for some tech to avoid cannons like warpprism or blink, you will die if you invested in all these cannons.
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