[G] Zerg vs Zerg ling/infestor into ultralisks - Page 3

On June 16 2012 10:52 Moosegills wrote:
Just curious, blade or others has anyone every tried getting baneling speed against you when you play this style. Granted fungal "beats" banelings but they still take 2 to kill and banelings own lings and spines pretty hard

Have never done this myself against ling infestor, but i think it is something to note because just a few decent baneling hits and all the lings have no health.

On June 16 2012 11:42 oOOoOphidian wrote:

That seems to work best if you can get a nice surround with the banelings, otherwise it's a miserable failure. It also comes down to how many infestors you actually have.

On June 17 2012 01:56 EndOfLine wrote:
Whats up Blade! (I did enjoy the late night laddering the other day, where you DID do this style, and where you came back from being behind on drones)

I have been doing this style for a long time. And I also feel it has the least amount of holes. However, the largest hole is right before infesters pop out and 1/1 isn't done yet. Because of this, I have been electing to do a macro hatch before my third, using it as a wall with spines at my natural. Once the 1/1 is done, then I like too take my third, while denying theirs.

Now I am not sure this is the BEST way to do things.
However, I am really happy that my peers: You Blade, Belial, Tang, ect, are doing this style now. I feel like we should meet up in a few games on NA, play around with a few timing attacks, and see if we can make the style more bullet proof? Thoughts?

On June 17 2012 08:42 CajunMan wrote:
First off thanks for the guide I was interested in this build for a while. So against muta play do you just plan to have a late third I played against a muta player who transitioned into ultra ling infestor. I ended up winning but against mutas do you just wait for infestors to come out before expoing?

On June 17 2012 09:34 oOOoOphidian wrote:

I definitely think you need a baneling nest in case your opponent goes for a roach/baneling attack before infestors pop. Even if you don't open banelings, you should make one. I haven't done this enough to really know if a proper roach/baneling timing can be held with this without banelings, but either way it's definitely easier to hold with banelings of your own.

On June 17 2012 22:54 Mauzel wrote:
If I scouted this I would do an identical build but go spire tech instead of infestor tech, and take advantage of the additional map control I have to take a 4th and maybe a 5th, and then turtle with mass spine, while waiting to go for a base trade / trying to deny 4th. If you're only making 4 infestors initially, I think the muta harass will somewhat effective. Furthermore, I'll be able to have complete map vision by killing your overlords.

I'm uncomfortable with the blind spine and baneling nest. If you're going +1/+1 you won't need the baneling nest. Diligent scouting and very good macro will allow you to always have more lings than your opponent before they get to your base, especially if they have spent 150/50 on a baneling nest and you have not; just never lose contact with the enemies army (engage if they start to build baneling nests). I would only build additional queens and spines if you smell a baneling all-in coming. I would save the baneling nest for builds where your opponent is going +1/+1 earlier than you. Otherwise, get it after you start your lair.

Same deal with the spine. I don't think I've played against an all-in where I've absolutely needed a blind spine crawler. Most roach/baneling all-ins I've played against can be beaten with reactive spines except on maps/positions with particularly small rush distances. The key is delaying by threatening to backstab with lings and then to ensure that you'll have lings in position to surround the roach ball when they attack your base.

On June 17 2012 22:01 Orek wrote:
Great guide. Thank you for the time and effort you put into this.
One thing I would like to see is the answer to Roach/BANELING/Ling aggression before infestors pop.
This brilliant player gave his idea.



Since you rely primarily on lings and spines + a few defensive banelings for defense with this build, enemy banelings along with roaches must be a big threat before fungal is available.
Baneling is good vs both your lings and spines, so a few good enemy baneling hits could be instant gg, although this is kidna true for general early game ZvZ...
If insanely good micro for your own defensive banelings and spine target firing is necessary to hold, then maybe this build might be high risk compared to roach builds. I have not tried enough times to give my opinion, so having dedicated section on "Holding Roach/BANELING aggression" might help me and us all further.

Again, thanks for the great guide!!