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forsakeNXE
Germany539 Posts
I've updated the BO with a new one. I've done some testing with it and it is definitly alot better than the old one. Changes: It is basically the same BO as before just with 2 guys in each of the first gas which enables you to get a cc down at 7:10 and have more minerals (= buildings, scvs, marines etc.) for allin defense. Please notice that some gas timings are new, too. I will see if i can provide more replays for you in the next few days. Best Regards, and open for feedback! | ||
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Chantastic
86 Posts
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forsakeNXE
Germany539 Posts
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
http://drop.sc/213108 I suggest, as I always have, the demuslim opening for this kind of style. It gets you stim cs +1, and an 'early' third, and 5-6 rax 2 fac 1 port off 2 base, taking a third to drop a few more barracks to really churn out the bio army. | ||
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EnE
417 Posts
On July 03 2012 08:44 iAmJeffReY wrote: It's not pure bio, but it's just a few hellions mixed in. Against a 1300pt last season zerg, 700pt this season I just played on daybreak with constant drops and pressure all over with marine marauder medic with a few hellions. http://drop.sc/213108 I suggest, as I always have, the demuslim opening for this kind of style. It gets you stim cs +1, and an 'early' third, and 5-6 rax 2 fac 1 port off 2 base, taking a third to drop a few more barracks to really churn out the bio army. Yes! I always mix hellions in. As I take my 3rd, I research blue flame from the factory and when the lategame comes, I add an additional fac and make thors from the first one, the second one I make a reactor for lategame hellions if needed. | ||
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Thylacine
Sweden882 Posts
And then ling bling, how do I deal with it midgame? I can't push, really, lol. And how do I produce an army fast enough to replenish the army I push with midgame? 9 raxes at 13:00 isn't enough obviously, but I can't afford to produce off more then that. And it's not so fun fighting 1-1 blings midgame with mass speedlings..? And when do I start mara prod? | ||
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NoZyneighbor
Canada77 Posts
You start marauder production after you start building the reactors on your two other raxes. To deal with long bling you need to be able to as least somewhat split, or on lower leagues you can just have the marauders up front as most people just a move the banelings Unless you are being extremely cost inefficient than a production cycle of 12 marines, 2 medicvacs, and 1 marauder should be enough to resupply your army. If you to lose your entire army, make sure your medicvacs survive and wait a couple of production rounds and go back into the Zergs face. You want to start your 4th as soon as possible without stopping production or upgrades, web your 4th is up you want to be on around 14 to 16 raxes. If you do lose all your medicvacs than it would be a good idea to take the 5th and 6th gas and build another reactor star port to rebuild that big amount of medicvacs. | ||
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Thylacine
Sweden882 Posts
On July 06 2012 05:58 NoZyneighbor wrote: If you do your initial CS marine poke and see no third then good, he is either dojng an all in or else you are ahead due to having an earlier third than the Zerg. You start marauder production after you start building the reactors on your two other raxes. To deal with long bling you need to be able to as least somewhat split, or on lower leagues you can just have the marauders up front as most people just a move the banelings Unless you are being extremely cost inefficient than a production cycle of 12 marines, 2 medicvacs, and 1 marauder should be enough to resupply your army. If you to lose your entire army, make sure your medicvacs survive and wait a couple of production rounds and go back into the Zergs face. You want to start your 4th as soon as possible without stopping production or upgrades, web your 4th is up you want to be on around 14 to 16 raxes. If you do lose all your medicvacs than it would be a good idea to take the 5th and 6th gas and build another reactor star port to rebuild that big amount of medicvacs. 6 raxes with reac 1 with lab?? That seems really expensive.. and ofc I try to split but he still cleans it up with ling bling easy mode. Also I move all marines backwards behind marauders when he runs at me, so it's not so bad but he still easily cleans it up and then as longer it goes on it gets impossible to push... >_< Btw he takes 3rd at 8:00. Right after he fends off my marines with mass queen + lings. So he will have that 3rd up and functioning before mine is up and functioning. | ||
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NoZyneighbor
Canada77 Posts
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Thylacine
Sweden882 Posts
That is essentially Only going marines, and only going marines in TvZ only works for Marineking, lol. Explain how you manage? | ||
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NoZyneighbor
Canada77 Posts
I think you overestimate the abilities of casual zerg players. These are all the TvZ i played since I started using the BO this thread gave. http://drop.sc/packs/1183 They contain replays of both the old BO and the new BO. They are not the top of the level replays, most of them are either high diamond or low masters. so watch these replays with a grain of salt edit: for some reason you cannot just download single replays, you must download the pack as a whole in order to get the replays | ||
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Thylacine
Sweden882 Posts
And 2 tech labs still seem too low too fight ling/bling or ling/bling/Infestor mid/lategame? .And if you expand at 7:10, how do you afford to add on 2-4 raxes? | ||
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treekiller
United States236 Posts
Also, I would be interested on your view of ghosts. | ||
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forsakeNXE
Germany539 Posts
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jdseemoreglass
United States3773 Posts
I'm suddenly reminded of this thread I made: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=215434 | ||
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Thylacine
Sweden882 Posts
And 2 tech labs still seem too low too fight ling/bling or ling/bling/Infestor mid/lategame? And if you expand at 7:10, how do you afford to add on 2-4 raxes? | ||
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Absurd Bunny
168 Posts
In a regular game using this build, about how many times would I attack? | ||
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forsakeNXE
Germany539 Posts
That's already answered somwhere in my guide or the thread. You get 1 TL all game. If Infestors get out you get 1-2 more. If Roaches get out you get 1-4 more depending on how roach heavy the zerg is. If Ultralisks get out you get like 8-10 TL in total and produce 2 rounds marauders. @ Absurd Bunny: You attack as often as you need to kill bases/him. You pull back if you are on the edge to beeing overrunned and pull your reinforcements from your home to help out and push again. This you do all the time. | ||
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limitedflux
Australia1 Post
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Talack
Canada2742 Posts
If you suspect this, muta/bane/ling will beat it much more easier than ling/infestor. This is actually quite good vs ling/infestor. Once again, all you'll need is one good fight, drone a bit then OVERMAKE units and you'll win this pretty easy. You can also go for the hard ling/bane all-in style a bit later on if you do not die from the first 1-2 attacks. There is no way to stop it at all if the terran isn't making tanks and has bio only, no splitting will stop it Otherwise it's alot of fun, mixing in more hellions helps alot if they're going ling/infestor. | ||
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