EPTMy key is fine, binding it to some other action it works first time, but when using default Core TRM I sometimes have to press is twice or three times for it to register and let me into build window. Really annoying me tbh.
Thank you.
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Pinion_
United Kingdom32 Posts
My key is fine, binding it to some other action it works first time, but when using default Core TRM I sometimes have to press is twice or three times for it to register and let me into build window. Really annoying me tbh. Thank you. | ||
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JacobShock
Denmark2485 Posts
On March 04 2014 00:28 JaKaTaK wrote: EDIT: never heard of the Sc2gears issue before. Anyone else have that issue? I solved this problem finally, but for anyone suffering from the same issue as sc2gears happens to be a very useful and popular program. Apparently Sc2gears has its own hotkey setup that interferes with my setup of the core. What you do is simple, in sc2gears go to settings and toggle off "enable global hotkeys" and then its a non issue. | ||
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JDub
United States976 Posts
On March 04 2014 09:10 JacobShock wrote: I solved this problem finally, but for anyone suffering from the same issue as sc2gears happens to be a very useful and popular program. Apparently Sc2gears has its own hotkey setup that interferes with my setup of the core. What you do is simple, in sc2gears go to settings and toggle off "enable global hotkeys" and then its a non issue. This is probably worthy of going in the FAQ. Sc2gears is a great program, and is very useful for people who are switching to TheCore who want to be able to get some more data on how they are doing throughout the switch. | ||
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Vlade
United States14 Posts
I didn't like The Core at first. I wasn't honest with myself about that fact, because the truth was I hadn't tried it yet. I suspect that others like me (maybe you) have read through this thread some time ago and came up with a laundry list of reasons why Standard layout is better. "My brain thinks in words," "Pro players use Standard," "I prefer to have my keys far apart in battles so I don't mis-click." Yes, reasons just suddenly came up out of the ground, and so I continued with Standard. This was about one year ago. Funny though, how something just gnaws at you. Rationalizations aside, did I really think that a phonetically-based setup, with the camera keys on the F-row, Storm on T, Robo on 7 and Guardian Shield on G is faster than a setup designed from the ground-up, using layered control groups, camera hotkeys and all important functions on the home keys? So while I was annoyed every time I saw "The Core," silently I knew that to say my setup was better would be a lie. Fast-forward about a year later, I just snap. I had realized my desire to get better at Standard had quietly gone in the night, I felt a twinge of "ugh" every time I laboriously used F1-F2-F3-F4 to transfer workers around expansions. I knew this setup was no good. I had my reservations about tilting my keyboard, removing keys and all that, but I decided to just give The Core a try. First, it just felt good to be bad at The Core. Sure, I sucked, but I knew that every step forward was laying good foundations. When you have bad habits, you remember that you have them every time you scratch out a barely literate scrawl, however easy it's become for you to do so. I dealt with the exact same in my piano playing. "Attack-Move is J," I would tell myself, "and that's the last hotkey I'm going to need to learn for that." I was surprised by how fun it was to learn the new keys. I was expecting a painful crucible, but I found that the faster I moved, the more fluid the motions got, like piano scales. Eventually, I did hit the infamous point where I considered giving up. It was on day four, while I kept mixing up the keys. It was brief, but really there was no doubt now that I couldn't go back. In all, it took me about a week to get back to where I used to be, and then it just got better from there. The most startling improvement is the camera keys, my god, when your brain finally learns those, it just runs with it. My camera was snapping back and forth, wherever my attention needed to be, I was already there. I think most people overlook the true gold in learning The Core. No, it's not about subtracting milliseconds from reaching for keys. If you imagine your brain has "memory" like a computer has memory, you realize your brain always has your hotkey setup loaded up, tying up memory, like RAM. When you switch to The Core, your brain doesn't have to load up anything but a small area of keys, in contrast to the antiquated jumble that is Standard. Your fingers barely move. After developing the muscle-memory, your brain is now able to use that freed-up brainpower on the game itself. It's a BIG difference. The subconscious decision to NOT hop back to your base is quickly replaced by "Why not, that's easy!" It's like getting unstuck, all the sudden you find time for everything. I'm not fighting the keys anymore, my thoughts control the game, not my fingers. I'll throw in my few tips here. First, and most importantly: Take the time to find the most comfortable tilt and position for your keyboard and mouse, then MARK IT on your desk. Tiny dots in pencil suffice. Whenever I play, I quickly snap my peripherals into place and always have a comfortable game, and learn the key positions faster. Second, take JaKaTaK's advice and do focused practice. I owe my quick learning to the Warp-In Drill and the Hotkey Trainer, then a bunch of solo custom games just repeating my builds. Third, hotkey EVERYTHING, and do it as soon as you can. Right when you build anything important, hotkey it. Your brain will make use of those keys later, when it has room to expand into a new area. Fourth, don't ladder until you really know the keys. You'll just develop general hate for all life if you try and learn hotkeys while some freak is barreling up your ramp with stimmed MM. Lastly, remove the two keys betwen Alt and Ctrl. I was hesitant to do this, but it makes things much more natural to learn and use. In my experience, StarCraft is an entirely new game using this setup. My thanks to the hardworking guys that made The Core. Whether you've used Standard for 4 weeks or 4 years, it takes everyone the same amount of time to learn The Core. Make the investment, it's worth it. | ||
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KonungrJoe
United States13 Posts
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Morthael
Croatia2 Posts
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slowbacontron
United States7722 Posts
On March 06 2014 06:51 Morthael wrote: Is there any way to disable ALT key from jumping at the selected units, I just hate when that happens when i try to make camera place hotkey. In the SC2 Hotkey editor, go to Global-->Camera-->Center on Current Selection and press the x on the upper right of Alt. Alternatively, you can open TheCoreXXX in Notepad, find CameraCenter, and delete Alt from the list of commands. | ||
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Quakecomm
United States344 Posts
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Morthael
Croatia2 Posts
On March 06 2014 09:13 slowbacontron wrote: In the SC2 Hotkey editor, go to Global-->Camera-->Center on Current Selection and press the x on the upper right of Alt. Alternatively, you can open TheCoreXXX in Notepad, find CameraCenter, and delete Alt from the list of commands. Tnx buddy  , u saved me! | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
Thanks Vlade so much for that detailed review. I'll get the Sc2gears thing in the OP. and TheCore has not been updated past version 1.0 unless I'm completely blanking on something. Really busy with tutorial central, but I'll try to find time to work on 1.1. | ||
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Quakecomm
United States344 Posts
On March 07 2014 04:58 JaKaTaK wrote: Hi everyone! Thanks Vlade so much for that detailed review. I'll get the Sc2gears thing in the OP. and TheCore has not been updated past version 1.0 unless I'm completely blanking on something. Really busy with tutorial central, but I'll try to find time to work on 1.1. no pressure tutorial central is great | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
Also, you should consider joining clan Jmove if you don't have a clan you're attached to already  | ||
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pedz
United States13 Posts
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
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luckybamboo
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KonungrJoe
United States13 Posts
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DifferentWays
United Kingdom2 Posts
I downloaded this new layout for my keyboard and started doing some focused practice on hotkey trainer. The experience I am having so far is pretty much positive and I am pretty happy to be using this tool since I wanted to rebind my keyboard with the same goals and I am also pretty happy that somebody thought of this before me and actually did it!! Although,I am experiencing a drawback ,expected I guess, when it comes to cameras and especially control groups. I guess for camera you just have to memorize keybinds but for control group it looks like a total mess to me. NOTE: I am in day 3 of using The Core right now and I will most certainly change my mind in a couple of weeks and when I do I will come back to this very post and say sorry first and then praise the wonders of The Core yet again. First thing I noticed ctrl+shift+9 to ctrl+shift+- keys are binded to control group 5 to 7,ctrl = is binded to control group 0 (wait what?) also noticed an extreme discontinuity for recalling the control groups: p for control 1 and shift p for control 2 when you have ctrl+shift+h and ctrl+shift+p to bind the same keys It is getting me extremely confused and it is a continous mashing of the keyboard with no apparent goal and mixing up/screwing up ctrl and shifts and alts modifiers A LOT. The frustration is very much intense. I tried to rebind the keys so that the layout is more intuitive ctrl 9 to ctrl = are binded to control group 1 to 4 and so on and tried to have a decent continuity when I want to recall that control group. Results were not what I expected,I undbinded a bazillion keybinds in the process and had to scrap the idea from start. Is there a way to achieve the binds I want or should I just memorize whatever this layout comes to and get used to it? | ||
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JaKaTaKSc2
United States2787 Posts
That should be all you need. Let me know if you have any more questions @DifferentWays The order of the control groups are the way they are for a reason (as you may have guessed). First, take a look at the Suggested CGs (I am guessing you are using ZRM. Tabs are on the bottom if you are not. The order of the CGs are from fastest potential press to slowest. So if you are to use your own binds and not the suggested ones, you will know which ones to use first for maximum speed and comfort. I wouldn't spend time rebinding CG order (unless you play zone control or another arcade game that automatically binds units to a CG). Once you learn the layout you won't even think about what number it is. It's like music. First you learn the names of the notes, so you can get from sheet music, to a letter, to a fingering or embouchure, to a sound. But once you've become proficient at reading music you go directly from the sheet music to the sound. The same is true here. The middle man becomes irrelevant in time. (wtf is up with me and metaphors today?... oh well) The special CG on P is for injecting. This next one should help your cameras a lot. | ||
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Viociph
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i am new to this project. i am watching sc2 games and stuff, but i was never able to play kinda competetive because i feel, starcraft and most other rts are so damn hard. all this multitasking and stuff is kinda crazy, but i still wish to at least be able to play in like silver or gold league. so after over a year i came back to starcraft and again, trying to learn the game, mechanics, etc....just everything from right the start. i watched many many of day9 newbie tuesday videos and trained, abouzt a year ago, so i am familiar with, how to train, and things like mental checklist and stuff. then i stumbled over this thing over here, thecore, and i feel like, yeah, pretty pro people but much work into this, and formed a propper way to play, using the keyboard in a logical and smart way, instead of just learning to break your fingers with shitty layouts. so, this is where i am. i am from germany and i do have the german layout on my keyboard. i mainly play zerg, or, want to. and so i downloaded the right hand (my mouse hand) zerg version for the german keyboard. medium size. i started to train with the hotkey trainer map, and after a few minutes, i was improving. hitting those keys with differend fingers is a very smart idea, and works just fine. i trained skills, building stuff etc. ok. thats not that big of a deal and i feel it works just fine. then i wrote every hotkey down, because i wasnt able to find some notes on this, just a list with all the keys. i prinbted it out and put it beside my screen. KNOW, the big problems: 1. i dont understand why i should have this centered camera view on my create camera location hotkeys, IF i should create most of the locastions right from the start of the game ("your first game spoiler advice stuff"). i am almost breaking my fingers because hitting alt AND ctrl is a pain. taking it even further, creating a using K or J. how am i supposed to do that? using which fingers? 2. control groups feel pretty crazy. i have like P and shift P (hard to press fast, and why is P used two times, one with a modifier?). L feels kinda hard two, but its ok for me. remember the buttons to create and use these groups gives me a hard time because i create group 1 with ctrl+shift+H, select it with P and add units with ctrl+alt+J?! please explain me if this is nessesary in any way or just wrong? i dont get it :/ but i am curious! so, yeah, using my left hand, on the right side of the keyboard is absolutely an improvement over using WASD, and losing potencial on button pressing with my thumb and my pinky. but before i am starting to hard mod this layout to my own thoughts, i am very curious to know, why these decisions are made, and if i am just to stupid to understand. last thing i want to note is, i am finding myself resting my pinky on the keyboard, just to anchor my position. if its lying on J most of the time, i can find all my keys pretty fast. what makes me problems is when i have to move my pinky. my hand feels lost. also aatm i feel like i need to train my pinky alot, but i could and should use it maybe more. so before i am putting my own version up here, i am waiting for an answer. OH and btw, i have to add something to the camera location stuff: instead of creating most of them with ctrl+alt+xx and using them with shift +xx, wouldnt it be possible to create them just with like alt? i dont know if alt is using other keys i wasnt able to find until now. that could be an improvement after all. i am sorry for maybe bad english, its just not my first one. hopefully you can understand what i was trying to explain here, and help me to learn the core, and start to enjoy and play regular sc2, instead of just some tower defense maps... | ||
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slowbacontron
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