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RimJaynor
Canada145 Posts
I'm looking for decent builds to play against this. I usually open 16 hatch 17 pool 4 queens 40 Gas x4. Then usually try to make an all in push with roach/ling/bane/ infestor @ 10min. The problem is on certain maps with high ground protecting the natural, tanks can easily shell away at you without being touched. So the question im asking is. What are your general timings for taking your 3rd, droning/making units and pushing or expanding again. In addition just your metagame thinking vs T. | ||
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iAmJeffReY
United States4262 Posts
Cut the infestor, and the ling, and hit a minute or two earlier with just roach bane, and it isn't even completely all in. If you do proper damage, you can get out of it in a solid transition. Masters T as well. | ||
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Syntaxs
Germany57 Posts
Most of the time Terrans push me while my third is coming up and I intercept them in the middle of the map, while they are unsieged. I am only a platinum player atm due to the fact that my ZvP sucks ass...(Didn't play for about 3 seasons, was Masters in S2) With good enough Macro (which you guess have, even better than mine cause I get supplyblocked too often) you will be able to hold the Terranpush while your third is comming up, leading to a huge advantage. | ||
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Plague1503
Croatia466 Posts
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jayaiwhy
Australia88 Posts
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jodenstone
Sweden45 Posts
Sorry for not being more specific about the build, watch some pro zvts from this month and im sure you will find it. | ||
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aebriol
Norway2066 Posts
On April 26 2012 17:52 RimJaynor wrote: Then usually try to make an all in push with roach/ling/bane/ infestor @ 10min. The problem is on certain maps with high ground protecting the natural, tanks can easily shell away at you without being touched. Why don't you bring an overseer to gain high ground vision and use infested terrans vs tanks? (wouldn't mind replay as well). | ||
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DKR
United Kingdom622 Posts
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kryx
Germany4 Posts
Why would you prefer to go allin in that spot? Far too fragile imho | ||
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willverrecken
80 Posts
personally i open hatch gas pool so i can just make like a 5 min 3rd, skip first lings and then go 4 lings to be safe against first 2 hellions followed by some roaches which come in time for 4 hellions to stay safe. it's usually a good idea to poke his front with roaches while droning up at home after so he can't just go greed mode to try to catch up. | ||
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Cereb
Denmark3388 Posts
Small pushes don't work. I did 5 roach pressure alot and this is actually one of the builds that hold it off the best because they will make a bunker at the natural front. You could always do all in bane roach but there is no particular reason to do this vs this builds compared to any other terran expand build so that is up to you. When you see one rax expand you can easily take a pretty fast third (once you have an okay stream of miniral income (40-50ish supply or when your macro slips  ) and double evos before lair to get those sick upgrades. Get a roach warren for the few hellions that will come after a while and then you'll also be ready if he for some bad reason decide to go mech. This way there is no way for potential banshees to cancel your third. The only thing that you have to be ready for is a marine hellion push but you can hold that pretty easily if you dont over drone (Overdroning here is being saturated on more than the two bases). Then you start to saturate the third once you crush the push or in case he took a fast third you can just saturate it pretty well before any push comes. ezpz. | ||
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EndOfLineTv
United States741 Posts
Changes. I would not make the 4th queen. 3 should be fine. You can take your third whenever you want, Tho I suggest you do around the 45 supply range. Also, pressure: Instead of making 4-6 lings. You can opt to make 8. They will reach the terran's base right when the command center is halfway done, and you have a 10 - 15 sec window to kill the scv and freeze the production of the CC before the helions comes out to clean you up. This will by you some more time before the terran takes his 3rd. | ||
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RimJaynor
Canada145 Posts
On April 26 2012 21:03 Cereb wrote: Imo the best way to respond is being very greedy. Small pushes don't work. I did 5 roach pressure alot and this is actually one of the builds that hold it off the best because they will make a bunker at the natural front. You could always do all in bane roach but there is no particular reason to do this vs this builds compared to any other terran expand build so that is up to you. When you see one rax expand you can easily take a pretty fast third (once you have an okay stream of miniral income (40-50ish supply or when your macro slips ) and double evos before lair to get those sick upgrades. Get a roach warren for the few hellions that will come after a while and then you'll also be ready if he for some bad reason decide to go mech. This way there is no way for potential banshees to cancel your third. The only thing that you have to be ready for is a marine hellion push but you can hold that pretty easily if you dont over drone (Overdroning here is being saturated on more than the two bases). Then you start to saturate the third once you crush the push or in case he took a fast third you can just saturate it pretty well before any push comes. ezpz. I really like this. Although does this hold against mass marine armies? | ||
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