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[Q] Fkeys. To use or not to use.

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aehu
Profile Joined January 2012
7 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-19 17:43:08
April 19 2012 17:41 GMT
#1
Hello TL,

I am curious about the usability of the Fkeys.
I know that Day[9] recommended the use of these keys to screenhop around to the more important areas of the map, but I've never used them.

I've been seeing and hearing more and more people telling me to use them, and I would like to hear the opinion of the TL Community.
I watched Day[9]'s video (secrets to apm etc), and I feel that these are the points that he made:
1] Screen hopping around your different bases allows you to drone transfer quickly when in a crisis.
2] Screen hopping allows you to quickly move your view to a crucial area on the map.


However, I have the basekey bound to the Space Bar, and I've always double tapped space (because sometimes it'll just hop me to the base I'm already looking at) to do the worker transfer. Additionally, I usually have one or more units in the important areas of the map, so it is a simple matter for me to double tap the corresponding hotkey.

For me, binding the Fkeys was more important like this:
~: Idle Drone
F1: Control group 0
F2: Control group 9
F3: Control group 8
F4: Control group 7

This way, I don't have to reach across my keyboard to hit my other control groups.

Is there any reason that I shouldn't use this set up? I'm just confused because I simply cannot see why screenhotkeying is so important. (Sometimes I feel like people just do it because Day[9] says to.)

In addition, is there anyone else who doesnt use the screenhotkeys? If anyone doesn't use them (like me) I would like to know how they navigate around the map.

Thank you for the read, and I look forward to reading the responses.
Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
April 19 2012 17:46 GMT
#2
I don't use screen hotkeys and navigate through my hatcheries by using backspace (rebound to W), but I feel it's not optimal and should probably start using screen hotkeys to be able to go to a specific place instead of having to "backspace" several times to get to the correct hatchery.
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ant885
Profile Joined July 2011
United States52 Posts
April 19 2012 17:49 GMT
#3
Screen keys are really useful IMO, way easier to deal with harass if you key your bases.

I personally make my locations alt+ a/s/d/f, partially because I played wow and because my fkeys are pretty far on my keyboard. Anyway point is you can keep your hotkey setup as is and also add screenkeys to something other than f1-f4 etc.
phrenzy
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom478 Posts
April 19 2012 18:09 GMT
#4
I play in multiple styles. I normally hotkey my eggs so i dont have to spend time rallying and then moving to that location and then hotkeying them. But when i go mutas i dont hotkey eggs since mutas following your main flock can be costly unless the path wont fly-by their defences and in general sometimes i might mis-click and not capture the hotkeyed eggs so i use an F key screen capture for the main rally points.

I keep another F key for my third just because i know sometime in the game that will face some harassment but for Queen injects i switch base camera, grab the queen, inject and when i have mutiple macro hatches i use the minimap to get to locations, i could use more F keys but its just faster grabbing the minimap box and dragging to a part of the map.
steelcurtain09
Profile Joined October 2011
United States87 Posts
April 19 2012 18:12 GMT
#5
I am in the process of transitioning to using F keys to inject. It is a lot more efficient because you don't have to hit backspace multiple times to get to the base you wanted. Also, if you put your macro hatches near one of your bases, then you can hit that F key once, inject both hatches, and then move on instead of hitting backspace, injecting both hatches, hitting backspace again and possibly jumping 6 inches to the macro hatch, and then having to hit backspace again to get to the hatch you actually want next.

I think of it as a matter of control. Unless you memorize the backspace pattern you won't necessarily know what hatch is going to be next. Then, when you hit backspace, you have to recognize what base you are at, find the queen, and inject. It also makes finding tech easier. You hit the correct F key for the base where the tech structure is located and make the necessary upgrades instead of having to cycle through up to all of your hatches to find it. And then if you miss it you have to cycle through them all again. I think there is a definite benefit to F keys and that it will become the next most efficient method for injecting.
Kukaracha
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
France1954 Posts
April 19 2012 18:17 GMT
#6
As a Terran, F1 is my main, F2 my ramp and then my rally point, F3 my nat and F4 my third.
Very useful for fast maynards, dealing with harass, seeing reinforcements, upgrading (in the main base).
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SC2ShoWTimE
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany722 Posts
April 19 2012 18:17 GMT
#7
the answer is pretty easy: it's faster than clicking on the minimap. day9 summaized the positive aspects of it pretty well. the only thing that may be in favour of clicking on the minimap is that you force yourself to look at the minimap but thats another topic i guess.
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papapanda
Profile Joined April 2010
Taiwan326 Posts
April 19 2012 18:25 GMT
#8
In the default setting, is screen binding ctrl f2-f5?
Genome852
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States979 Posts
April 19 2012 18:49 GMT
#9
On April 20 2012 03:25 papapanda wrote:
In the default setting, is screen binding ctrl f2-f5?


No, those are hero hotkeys I think (which are useless).

I have F1 on townhall camera and the rest on camera.
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
April 19 2012 18:54 GMT
#10
On April 20 2012 03:25 papapanda wrote:
In the default setting, is screen binding ctrl f2-f5?

default is f5-8 iirc
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Feor
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany11 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-19 19:06:19
April 19 2012 19:05 GMT
#11
i use my F-keys pretty much as day9 does it.
F1 - unidle worker
F2 - Main
F3 - Natural
F4 - Third
F5 - Depends, sometimes it's my fourth and oft times it's my warp-in Pylon when harrassing

i'm feeling pretty comfortable with this setting and i wouldn't know why not to use it. you see several pro gamers use these settings as well (f.e. grubby as you can see on his streams, tlo (as far as i know; not sure about this)

edit:
oh an binding these locations is always Shift + FX
Turo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada333 Posts
April 19 2012 19:09 GMT
#12
On April 20 2012 04:05 EUClumsy wrote:
i use my F-keys pretty much as day9 does it.
F1 - unidle worker
F2 - Main
F3 - Natural
F4 - Third
F5 - Depends, sometimes it's my fourth and oft times it's my warp-in Pylon when harrassing

i'm feeling pretty comfortable with this setting and i wouldn't know why not to use it. you see several pro gamers use these settings as well (f.e. grubby as you can see on his streams, tlo (as far as i know; not sure about this)

edit:
oh an binding these locations is always Shift + FX


it's not ctrl+ Fkey?
rtsAlaran
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany383 Posts
April 19 2012 19:17 GMT
#13
On April 20 2012 04:09 Turo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 04:05 EUClumsy wrote:
i use my F-keys pretty much as day9 does it.
F1 - unidle worker
F2 - Main
F3 - Natural
F4 - Third
F5 - Depends, sometimes it's my fourth and oft times it's my warp-in Pylon when harrassing

i'm feeling pretty comfortable with this setting and i wouldn't know why not to use it. you see several pro gamers use these settings as well (f.e. grubby as you can see on his streams, tlo (as far as i know; not sure about this)

edit:
oh an binding these locations is always Shift + FX


it's not ctrl+ Fkey?


same as Clumsy, except I moved my Idle worker to F5 and the rest down.
Also I use Shift for setting locations because its much easier - I use my pinky for shift and not the palm like some other people may do (the reason why they use ctrl over shift). At first I thought I'll never get used to get the fingers of my pretty small hands all the way up to the F-keys but after putting 1-2 days practice into it my play got quite a bit better (especially checking saturation)
Broesl
Profile Joined February 2011
Austria75 Posts
April 19 2012 19:22 GMT
#14
i use f keys for all my bases, f1 is idle workers and f2 - ... are my bases. And nobody uses them cause day9 says so, they are really good if ure used to them, cause you dont have to deselect anything to jump somewhere, which you would have to do by double tapping control groups for example.
MugenXBanksy
Profile Joined April 2011
United States479 Posts
April 19 2012 19:26 GMT
#15
i may only be gold league but even i use the f keys granted i rebound them because who the hell wants to hit atleast f5.

rebound screen jump 1-8 to f1-f8 binding whatever was changed to a more realistic place
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KingLumps
Profile Joined January 2012
74 Posts
April 19 2012 19:28 GMT
#16
It is one of the nicest things using fkeys IMO. When you see that drop/mutaw about the hit your main all you do is f1 select all workers, f2 and click on your naturals min patch. 4 actions to save you from tons of damage, well worth it to learn.
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Hoodlum
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States350 Posts
April 19 2012 19:32 GMT
#17
On April 20 2012 04:05 EUClumsy wrote:
i use my F-keys pretty much as day9 does it.
F1 - unidle worker
F2 - Main
F3 - Natural
F4 - Third
F5 - Depends, sometimes it's my fourth and oft times it's my warp-in Pylon when harrassing

i'm feeling pretty comfortable with this setting and i wouldn't know why not to use it. you see several pro gamers use these settings as well (f.e. grubby as you can see on his streams, tlo (as far as i know; not sure about this)

edit:
oh an binding these locations is always Shift + FX


Same for me except I dont use F5 on imba forward pylon xD jkjkjk F5 for me will most generally be xelnaga watchtower until I get my fourth up

xO gaming owner
HunterEX
Profile Joined March 2012
United States4 Posts
April 19 2012 19:47 GMT
#18
i use f5-f8 (no ctrl) to set location, and i use f1-f4 to go to location. No holding ctrl and stretching your hand all the way across the keyboard.

But admitedly i don't ever use them. If i want to go to my base I just hit my nexus key 2x. Probably bad habit on my part.
9-BiT
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States1089 Posts
April 19 2012 19:52 GMT
#19
In trying to switch from f5 to f1 how do you change the set first position from cntr 5 to cntrl 1? Because I can't seem to input more than 1 key.

To answer your question? I like it more than the backspace method because of macro hates.
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Zrana
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom698 Posts
April 19 2012 20:11 GMT
#20
There's 2 bindings: go to camera location and set camera location, the set camera location will allow you to use ctrl+keys
Turo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada333 Posts
April 19 2012 20:40 GMT
#21
Ah. I set ctrl to a side button on my mouse. makes for super easy hotkeys.
Tal0n
Profile Joined April 2010
United States175 Posts
April 19 2012 21:18 GMT
#22
you shoudl try it, once yo ugot used to it, you will feel more comfortabel playing. i only use them to save camara postion over my bases, which is not the most efficient way by a long shot, but i still feel like i improved since i did it.

of course besides jsut using them to center on all your bases, you could:
-center on your rally point
-center on popular drop-spots
-center on buildings you dont want to hotkey (like CCs made to be turned into planetaries)

and save the postion to a hotkey. there are many more things too.
Chrono000
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Korea (South)358 Posts
April 20 2012 03:29 GMT
#23
I'm having a super hard time getting used to F keys. I always use the minimap for most of my navigating and everytime i try and incorporate F keys I automatically revert back to my minimap naviageting.

My advice learn it while you can. Learn it while its easy. Learn them before inefficient techniques develop.
yoona2012
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark196 Posts
April 20 2012 03:43 GMT
#24
@OP
if you have a small hand or feel you cant reach the 7-8-9-0 keys there are several other ways to work around this problem, all better than giving up on your f-keys.

The most "pro" way is to get have all your most common used hotkeys bound to 4-5-6-7, this way you´ll force yourself to get used to positioning your hand in the middle of they numbered-keys and thus being able to reach both 1 and 0 on same hand.

If you cant get used to this method, you can rebind 7-8-9-0 to q-w-e-r and whatever the uses for those keys normally are to something else, this way you´ll 100% have all 10 numbered keys within reach very comfortably.

3rd option is to get a gamer keypad or gamer keyboard with extra buttons. The logitech G-series have 11-15 extra keys on the left side and can be extremely nice for gaming, and nostromo makes some nice gamerpads - but be aware not all tournaments allow gamerpads or non-standard keyboards.
RiceAgainst
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1849 Posts
April 20 2012 03:51 GMT
#25
I only use my F-hotkeys to APM spam in the first 2-3 minutes of the game. Maybe I'm just not at a high enough level (Gold right now) to utilize them or I find that [Spacebar] base camera works better for me. Since I'm Toss, I just hotkey a pylon to three and box all my units since I have one-control group syndrome.
Tarfire
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada67 Posts
April 20 2012 04:04 GMT
#26
I'm top 5 Masters, and I will tell you they make a big difference.
I did not used to use them because I thought they were sort of impractical, however once I started doing it every game it helped me play a lot better.
I had apm of about 205-215. After incorporating things like this to keep my hands moving (even though camera keys don't count towards APM as far as I know), I started getting a lot faster in all areas, and I have an average now of 310.
F1 = Screencap 1
F2 = Screencap 2
F3 = Screencap 3
F4 = Screencap 4
I don't have an idle worker key as I play Zerg and it's not that important for me.

-- I use it if there is a drop in my base to quickly transfer drones.
-- I use it to quickly jump to bases to build buildings when also micro'ing a battle (much faster than trying to click on your minimap). I also have spacebar switched to base camera, but with screencaps you always know which hatchery you will be seeing.
-- I use it early game when im expanding and such. F1, Grab drone, hit F2, right click screen. Or, if I'm transferring a queen from main to 2nd/3rd. F1, grab queen, F2, right click. It speeds up this process of moving stuff around while allowing you to keep your mouse fairly centered instead of down at the minimap constantly, which can also be inaccurate.
-- Also, say you play terran and you have your hellions on the edge of a zergs creep to prevent creep tumors. You want to constantly be checking them. If you hotkey the spot they are on to F1 lets say, and your base is F2. Instead of double tapping 1 to see your hellions, then double tapping your CC hotkey to go back to base. you could simply hit F1, F2, quickly and continue to macro up. Hit those 2 keys F1, F2, every few seconds and you can keep a check that there aren't any tumors going down or lings about to run out for a surround.
HickleStine
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia276 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 04:15:13
April 20 2012 04:07 GMT
#27
F2: main
F3: natural
F4: third
F5: 4th
F6: 5th
F7: 6th
...etc up to f8-9
(I set them using Shift+Fkey)

I'm still working on using F6,F7,F8,F9 but I've gotten pretty good with F2-5 and it makes it super efficient to manage your bases, transfer workers, build buildings, inject etc.

Control group setups also become simpler when using this; you can have all your hatcheries/nexxi/command centers on a single hotkey and navigate your bases with F keys. If you rely on using the minimap/scrolling to move between your bases then it slows you down a lot.

eg as zerg you can bind all your hatches to 5 and all your queens to 6, leaving 8 keys for army/upgrades/random overlords/overseers etc

To get used to using them, you just have to make yourself play some games with it and get it ingrained into your system. Every time you rally a worker back to mine, inject, return to build a building, transfer workers to an expansion etc, FORCE yourself to use the f-key (even if you only start with 1 fkey for your main). Then start using the natural F-key as well, then 3rd base etc etc.....

gl!

EDIT: as for using f-keys as control groups so you don't have to reach across the keyboard: rebind 0 to ~ if you have to; other wise just man up and stretch your hand; in broodwar, the key to make probes/pylons was "P" and no one ever complained!
You have 10 number keys right there in a line; even if you have to move your hand to reach them, do it. It's better for your hand to keep it moving and you can improve your play a great deal by utilizing as many of them as you can.
Janders
Profile Joined June 2011
Mexico222 Posts
April 20 2012 04:22 GMT
#28
why would something that makes you play faster be good? playing better is overrated...
:D
HaZeY.
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada27 Posts
April 20 2012 04:58 GMT
#29
I love my camera hotkeys. I rebound them to F1-F4, Shift+F1-F4. Ctrl+F1-F4 for the first 4, Shift+Ctrl+F1-F4 for the last 4. I'm left handed so I just use my thumb on the right hand to hit both Ctrl and Shift easily. Usually just straight up F1-F4 are used for macro purposes (inject, building, worker transfers, upgrade checks, etc) and base defense. The shift ones usually start off as key locations (Xelnaga towers, ramps, enemy expasions, etc) then shift to hatches as I get more of them with queens. I found the backspace method to be too inaccurate, lot of cycling. My macro also would slip more with backspace then with camera keys.

Anyways thats my stance I suppose.
HyperionDreamer
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1528 Posts
April 20 2012 07:49 GMT
#30
Yes, use them. Always.

What's easier when moving drones from a drop: clicking on the minimap, selecting drones, then scrolling to another base, and clicking minerals, or f2 control-click f3 click on minerals.

Takes like 1/8 the amount of time, and that's just one scenario.
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Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
April 20 2012 08:56 GMT
#31
For me, the most important use of screen hotkeys (or hotkeys/ control groups of any kind, for that matter) is to reduce the amount of clicking I have to do. I can hit buttons really fast, but my mouse can only physically be in so many places at once.

Basically, any time you have to click the minimap (except to check on something that just came into view on the minimap or something), it's better to use a screen hotkey.

Typical Screen hotkey uses:
  • keeping track of drop locations
  • bound to each base to make grab scvs to make supply depots or respond to drops
  • the location of your current rally point so you can grab your next wave of troopers


There are other uses, but this is what I use them for, and it drastically cuts down on the amount of clicking I need to do.
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Feor
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany11 Posts
April 20 2012 09:25 GMT
#32
On April 20 2012 04:09 Turo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 20 2012 04:05 EUClumsy wrote:
i use my F-keys pretty much as day9 does it.
F1 - unidle worker
F2 - Main
F3 - Natural
F4 - Third
F5 - Depends, sometimes it's my fourth and oft times it's my warp-in Pylon when harrassing

i'm feeling pretty comfortable with this setting and i wouldn't know why not to use it. you see several pro gamers use these settings as well (f.e. grubby as you can see on his streams, tlo (as far as i know; not sure about this)

edit:
oh an binding these locations is always Shift + FX


it's not ctrl+ Fkey?


yes, but i rebound it as i found the distance uncomfortable for quick use.
SamsLiST
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany184 Posts
April 20 2012 09:35 GMT
#33
little advice:

to force yourself using Fkeys reduce the scroll-speed of the mouse drastically for practice games
you will automatically adapt to screenjumping (either via minimap. Fkeys or basecam) in very short time.
You also want to give a-move commands on the minimap and not dragging your screen into fog of war...
covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-20 09:50:04
April 20 2012 09:47 GMT
#34
Can i know which day 9 episode speaks on using Screen Capturing? Nvm found it
BronzeKnee
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5219 Posts
April 20 2012 09:50 GMT
#35
On April 20 2012 18:35 SamsLiST wrote:
little advice:

to force yourself using Fkeys reduce the scroll-speed of the mouse drastically for practice games
you will automatically adapt to screenjumping (either via minimap. Fkeys or basecam) in very short time.
You also want to give a-move commands on the minimap and not dragging your screen into fog of war...


That is a great idea. Thank you.
iNViCiOUZ
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany364 Posts
April 20 2012 09:58 GMT
#36
I rebound 7-0 to F1 -F4 and use them for production:
F1: Rax
F2: Factory
F3: Starport
Tazerenix
Profile Joined December 2010
Australia340 Posts
April 20 2012 10:35 GMT
#37
They make it a lot easier to handle your bases in the late game, I mean a LOT easier.

From a protoss perspective, where I don't really need to screen hotkey rally points or anything of that sort, I can just screen hotkey each base I am going to take, and i can very quickly bounce between them in the late game to transfer workers, defend harass, make buildings, retreat and anything else that requires me to look at my base.
Wychwood
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom57 Posts
April 20 2012 12:08 GMT
#38
I play both Terran and Zerg, and spend the very early game setting up four base hotkeys (F2-F5) EVERY GAME. Even if I plan on doing a 2 base play, I will still set up all four at the start of each game. It is reassuring to know that if the game goes that far, I have already got camera hotkeys set up already that I can jump to.

Speaking to the lack of reach point brought up, I have pretty small hands and play resting three fingers across 1,3&5. When I play Terran, I fill up my hotkey bar completely (1 for all bases, 2,3&4 for unit groups, 5 for barracks, 6 for factories, 7 for starports, 8 for ghost academies and tech labs, 9 for armories and 10 for engineering bays). I put my upgrade binds towards the top end as I will not jump to them as often, just to check progress, and I will only normally do that when I am macro-ing (unless I am checking upgrades before engaging). This kind of comes through in my zerg hotkeys too, although to a lesser extent (1 for all bases, 2,3&4 for unit groups, 5 for queens (rebound backspace method for injects), and then 9 for spires and 10 for evolution chambers). Still keeping upgrades on further end of the keyboard as I will not have to hit them as often.

(TL:DR-ish) Anyway, the main point was, I use the right hand end of hotkeys for less-visited buildings to allow me to keep my hand generally towards the left end. This allows me to make good use of F-keys for camera binds.
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mrGRAPE
Profile Joined November 2011
Singapore293 Posts
April 20 2012 12:45 GMT
#39
I have F2-F5 as my individual base cameras although I already use the backspace inject method as Zerg. It's just a habit I brought over from playing random since base keys while playing Terran and Protoss are more important for worker transfers, defending drops etc.
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Taefox
Profile Joined March 2010
1533 Posts
April 20 2012 13:14 GMT
#40
For me it's like the old bw Fkeys use like :

F1 : main base
F2 : nat
F3 : 3rd nat

@taefoxy
xelf
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada16 Posts
April 20 2012 13:24 GMT
#41
On April 20 2012 04:47 HunterEX wrote:
i use f5-f8 (no ctrl) to set location, and i use f1-f4 to go to location. No holding ctrl and stretching your hand all the way across the keyboard.

But admitedly i don't ever use them. If i want to go to my base I just hit my nexus key 2x. Probably bad habit on my part.



The problem I found when doing this is if you hot key 2 or more nexus to the control group. You may not go to the base you want/need


This started to annoy me so I started using the screen keys.
dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
April 20 2012 13:32 GMT
#42
lol I use the defaultStarcraft 2 control hotkeys and I have no problem with it, its fine lol

I cant understand people who complain hitting 6-8 is too far....seriously...?
Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
Recognizable
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Netherlands1552 Posts
April 20 2012 13:33 GMT
#43
As a Terran player it is incredibly helpfull, always use them.
EngrishTeacher
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Canada1109 Posts
April 20 2012 13:36 GMT
#44
F1 for main, F2 for natural, F3 for ramp area, F4 for enemy base/rally point, F5-F7 for additional expansions.

Works really well for me, freeing up 5-9 hotkeys for better army/production management.
Hez
Profile Joined July 2011
United States31 Posts
April 20 2012 13:39 GMT
#45
For me, I don't use the F keys. I hotkey all of my queens separately and then just double tap on them to go to a base.
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Morphs
Profile Joined July 2010
Netherlands645 Posts
April 20 2012 13:48 GMT
#46
Using each F-key for each base is just way too useful to pass up. I've rebound control groups 7-0 to keys on the left side of the keyboard so I can reach every key needed with my left hand.

All it takes is just some time thinking about a logical key setup that enables speed as well. You'll probably also have 1-2 mouse buttons that you can access with your thumb.

For example, my hatches are under '1', 'w' is select larvae and 'd' means morph drone. So pressing 1,w,d produces drones. I use my ring,middle and index finger for this 'roll' of keys so it's really fast to execute. Endlessly faster than something like 4,s,d.
huehuehuehue
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Estonia455 Posts
April 20 2012 13:49 GMT
#47
On April 20 2012 22:39 HEZEKIAH wrote:
For me, I don't use the F keys. I hotkey all of my queens separately and then just double tap on them to go to a base.

But what about defending drops/harass? Then it would be annoying to click on queen, and just using the mouse to go to the base is way too slow.
Vul
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States685 Posts
April 20 2012 13:56 GMT
#48
On April 20 2012 22:32 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote:
lol I use the defaultStarcraft 2 control hotkeys and I have no problem with it, its fine lol

I cant understand people who complain hitting 6-8 is too far....seriously...?


function keys are used to hotkey camera locations, not as a replacement for control groups. Everyone should really use both, assuming that it matters to you whether you're playing as fast as possible. You can get by without them but they help.
NiteWatch
Profile Joined January 2012
Indonesia58 Posts
April 21 2012 02:14 GMT
#49
I dont use camera hotkeys because i dont know how to set them up since i play on a macbook pro. I usually use backspace or click on the minimap to find my bases, which is not very efficient. Does anyone know how to set up camera keys on mac?
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xDnDx
Profile Joined January 2012
19 Posts
April 21 2012 02:32 GMT
#50
Screen hopping is definitely very useful when multitasking. What separates the camera hotkeys from standard hotkeys is that they can be placed anywhere. When using a number hotkey for bouncing it will always take you to that structure. Saving camera spots around the map can prove to be very clutch in close games. Instead of having to click around the mini-map you can just hit the camera hotkey once and keep going. If you use a keyboard with extra "macro" keys you can bind these to F5,F6 etc and use those for the camera hotkeys instead. The macro keys are very close to normal hand rest position and can make things much easier for you.
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
April 21 2012 02:38 GMT
#51
I can't use screen keys because I'm on a laptop and it makes me press fn+fkey to use them besides f1
Andromedan
Profile Joined December 2011
64 Posts
April 21 2012 06:10 GMT
#52
I'm personally a zerg player, but I love the F keys for critical areas.
F1 is main, F2 is natural, F3 is third, and so on.
I have a terran/protoss friend who uses the F keys to toggle between rally points, etc.
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covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
April 21 2012 06:42 GMT
#53
On April 21 2012 11:38 IMoperator wrote:
I can't use screen keys because I'm on a laptop and it makes me press fn+fkey to use them besides f1


lol Do not play on laptop keyboard if you wish to improve. Just plug in a keyboard.
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
April 21 2012 07:30 GMT
#54
On April 21 2012 15:42 covetousrat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 11:38 IMoperator wrote:
I can't use screen keys because I'm on a laptop and it makes me press fn+fkey to use them besides f1


lol Do not play on laptop keyboard if you wish to improve. Just plug in a keyboard.

I've been playing on a laptop since I've had the game and I'm masters lol. Plus, my desk has no room for a keyboard either.
cydial
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States750 Posts
April 21 2012 07:58 GMT
#55
I have ~ as my idle worker. F1 - F5 as camera keys. I was trying to use the naga's buttons for F6-F9 for even more camera buttons, but never got used to them. If someone really wanted to abuse cameras and switch them quickly, then binding them to your mouse is the way to go (especially a naga mouse).
Nachtwind
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1130 Posts
April 21 2012 08:28 GMT
#56
Just no. I am not Spiderman and have no Korean DNA.
Minimap,Mouse and Hotkey are just fine for me. If i would need more buttons i would stop the game because i don´t like to play piano just to play a game.
If you think you are going to be a pro and earn money with it- fine - learn to use them.
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dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
April 21 2012 10:41 GMT
#57
This thread has made me play around with my hotkeys.

Someone mentioned the idea of hotkeying your Bases (Spawn base, 1st expansion, 2nd expansion, 3rd, so forth) to f1, f2 f3 f4 and so on. Can someone briefly explain how to do this? I cannot control + f1 a Comman center.
Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
April 21 2012 10:58 GMT
#58
On April 21 2012 19:41 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote:
This thread has made me play around with my hotkeys.

Someone mentioned the idea of hotkeying your Bases (Spawn base, 1st expansion, 2nd expansion, 3rd, so forth) to f1, f2 f3 f4 and so on. Can someone briefly explain how to do this? I cannot control + f1 a Comman center.


F1 is not a camera hotkey. This is because F1 is the "idle worker" hotkey. Some players unbind the "idle worker" hotkey and shift their camera hotkeys over.
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mewo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States221 Posts
April 21 2012 11:06 GMT
#59
As a protossI use f1-8 as base cameras. I dont think its all that harmful not use them. But the best way is certainty to use.them.
Silentness
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2821 Posts
April 21 2012 12:24 GMT
#60
On April 20 2012 22:14 foxj wrote:
For me it's like the old bw Fkeys use like :

F1 : main base
F2 : nat
F3 : 3rd nat


Similar to this guy. I use camera hotkeys exactly the same way I did in BW. It makes shifting through bases and rally points easier for me and quicker. Why not use them??
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dynwar7
Profile Joined May 2011
1983 Posts
April 21 2012 12:27 GMT
#61
On April 21 2012 19:58 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 21 2012 19:41 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote:
This thread has made me play around with my hotkeys.

Someone mentioned the idea of hotkeying your Bases (Spawn base, 1st expansion, 2nd expansion, 3rd, so forth) to f1, f2 f3 f4 and so on. Can someone briefly explain how to do this? I cannot control + f1 a Comman center.


F1 is not a camera hotkey. This is because F1 is the "idle worker" hotkey. Some players unbind the "idle worker" hotkey and shift their camera hotkeys over.


Ok, so how do I bind my spawn CC to f1, my expansion to f2, so on? My idle now is ` however I have a major issue...I cannot control + ` to select all idle workers...i used to be able to do control f1 to select all, though.
Regarding the imbalance, hilarious to see Zergs defending themselves....
cactusjack914
Profile Joined March 2011
United States183 Posts
April 21 2012 12:57 GMT
#62

Ok, so how do I bind my spawn CC to f1, my expansion to f2, so on? My idle now is ` however I have a major issue...I cannot control + ` to select all idle workers...i used to be able to do control f1 to select all, though
.

go to camera and change your idle worker hotkey
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ETisME
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
12680 Posts
April 21 2012 13:08 GMT
#63
I can't really use the F keys, just not used to using it.
As to compensate, I tend to bound a weird location (such as where drop usually hit) with an overlord to 0.
But I have seen a few pros using it for reinforcement rally point
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Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States329 Posts
April 21 2012 13:19 GMT
#64
Its extremely good to use its an advantage youre not utilizing why wouldnt you try it? of course its going to take a while to get used to, but trust me its much better in the long run
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ineversmile
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States583 Posts
April 21 2012 14:00 GMT
#65
I don't think a tool is necessary to use because it's simply in the toolbox. I tried the F hot keys for several months and then decided that they were more detrimental to my play than they were helpful. The only thing they did positively for me was to help me jump around my bases to defend drops/other attacks, but they also were making me play more sloppily because I found myself leaning too much on the individual screen save points and missing out on action lying just outside the screen's vision. When I stopped using the F shortcuts again, I went back to clicking and dragging on the minimap, which turned out to be stronger because I was being more precise with viewing the action in key situations.

I played the piano for a decade growing up, my typing WPM is about 110, and I have had ~350 apm spikes for several years since being a Warcraft 3 player. I use 3-4 army hotkeys and hotkey all my relevant production and upgrade buildings. I know I can handle the additional buttons, but I have personally found the function keys to make my game weaker where it should make it stronger. That's just me, but I wanted to point out that this set of tools actually was negative for someone and it's not necessary to use something "just because it's there."
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Andromedan
Profile Joined December 2011
64 Posts
April 21 2012 20:52 GMT
#66
On April 21 2012 19:41 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote:
This thread has made me play around with my hotkeys.

Someone mentioned the idea of hotkeying your Bases (Spawn base, 1st expansion, 2nd expansion, 3rd, so forth) to f1, f2 f3 f4 and so on. Can someone briefly explain how to do this? I cannot control + f1 a Comman center.


I retasked my hotkeys to let me do this. I retasked the base toggle (under camera in hotkeys) from "backspace" to "caps lock".
This base toggle lets me center the camera on the nearest base, continuing to use the hotkey cycles through your bases, centering on each one. When you center your camera on the base, you can set the camera hotkey.

For the F keys, I retasked the "setting" portion of the hotkey to "Shift + F1", "Shift + F2", etc. Accessing the hotkey would be F1, F2, etc. You can't use this on individually selected units or buildings, the setting only works on toggling your camera. So you can use it to toggle bases (using the camera-centering technique), or just use the hotkeys for rallypoints, big areas of the map, etc. Hope it helped.
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vorxaw
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada245 Posts
April 22 2012 07:34 GMT
#67
Yes definitely use Fkeys, no matter how you set them up. Using the basecamera to go between bases is not accurate, especially if you have inbase CC that are not floated out yet, or building macro CCs in late game
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