EPT[G] MMA's TvZ Hellion/Banshee Build - Page 3
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DawN883
Sweden558 Posts
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dynwar7
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On June 09 2012 02:20 Jazzman88 wrote: The explicit intent of Hellion/Banshee pressure is to get that quick 3rd. Hellion/Banshee is such a fast, mobile composition with a lethal effectiveness in wiping out drone lines, so the Zerg is forced to play a bit defensively if you don't fuck up your control of the units (i.e. losing your first Banshee to Spore Crawlers). So the 3rd CC is the 'sting' of the build, which sets you up beautifully for the transition into more standard Marine/Tank aggression OR mech play without the weakness of trying to establish a tankless third with just MMM. Yeah I heard that for mech you need 3 bases to reach its full potential. ANd I like to mech TvZ. But looking at that replay of mma vs dimaga, even though mma made n early 3rd CC, he actually didnt build it at a new expansion, it was built just above his spawning CC. so when do you actually transfer ot a new expansion? Or is the 3rd CC just there to pump SCVs? | ||
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SEA KarMa
Australia452 Posts
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-niL
Canada1131 Posts
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Vies
Australia57 Posts
I just have one major question with this build... How do you stop gas steal? Because you drop CC on 16 and delay the 2nd depot you can't block the drone from getting in your base. When my marine pops I don't seem to have 75 minerals to make a refinery and block the gas steal. Does anyone have experience with this? Thanks again for the great guide. | ||
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Vanchen
55 Posts
On June 11 2012 12:26 Vies wrote: Great guide and lots of insightful comments. I just have one major question with this build... How do you stop gas steal? Because you drop CC on 16 and delay the 2nd depot you can't block the drone from getting in your base. When my marine pops I don't seem to have 75 minerals to make a refinery and block the gas steal. Does anyone have experience with this? Thanks again for the great guide. Well you have an expo right? Can't you just make a gas there and one in your main? | ||
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
On June 11 2012 12:26 Vies wrote: Great guide and lots of insightful comments. I just have one major question with this build... How do you stop gas steal? Because you drop CC on 16 and delay the 2nd depot you can't block the drone from getting in your base. When my marine pops I don't seem to have 75 minerals to make a refinery and block the gas steal. Does anyone have experience with this? Thanks again for the great guide. Make 3rd CC faster and take the gas in your natural when that finishes. There are examples of builds like that used recently in GSL even when there was no gas steal. | ||
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Battousai13
United States638 Posts
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
On June 11 2012 13:49 Battousai13 wrote: I'm guessing this build is being nerco-ed because PuMa was showing off a similar build against Zerg, at MLG today? This build has been one of the best in TvZ for at least the last 3 months. PuMa is only one of many pros who are uses it currently. | ||
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Vies
Australia57 Posts
On June 11 2012 13:22 oOOoOphidian wrote: Make 3rd CC faster and take the gas in your natural when that finishes. There are examples of builds like that used recently in GSL even when there was no gas steal. Thanks for the reply. I am not sure how I can make CC faster as I put it down as soon as i reach 400 minerals (after first marine/OC) Do I cut marine or something here? Hopefully I can find a game in GSL where this happened, haven't been lucky enough to find one yet. If anyone knows a game where this build was done after gas steal I'd appreciate it. Also if you make gas at expo does this delay your gas? If so by how much? | ||
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oOOoOphidian
United States1402 Posts
On June 11 2012 18:12 Vies wrote: Thanks for the reply. I am not sure how I can make CC faster as I put it down as soon as i reach 400 minerals (after first marine/OC) Do I cut marine or something here? Hopefully I can find a game in GSL where this happened, haven't been lucky enough to find one yet. If anyone knows a game where this build was done after gas steal I'd appreciate it. Also if you make gas at expo does this delay your gas? If so by how much? I was saying to take your third base faster than you would normally, as you will have extra minerals and later gas. You can get the natural up in time to take another gas after that and your tech will only be a little later than otherwise. I don't quite remember specific games, but I think either ZENEX_Life or TSL_Symbol was gas stealing and forcing the terrans to do this. Polt memorably pulled like 7 scvs to kill the gas and make sure he got it. | ||
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megid
Brazil142 Posts
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Ope
Germany5 Posts
But I`ve got a questionmark in my mind: I don`t get this build order actually... Build Order: 10 Depot 12 Rax --> 4 Marines before Reactor 16 OC 17 CC 17 Depot 18 2x Gas 20 Bunker 25 Factory 31 Starport (Switch to tech lab of Rax) 33 CC 2x Tech Lab [Rax] / 3rd Gas @ 4 Hellions: 2 Engineering-Bays / 2nd Rax 3x Rax / Reactor (for Rax) on Factory (and after that one more tech lab for the Factory) @ 100% Reactor: 4th Gas How can you switch the Starport to the Tech-Lab of the Barracks if there is a Reactor on it (after the 4 Marines)? Could you upload a replay from yourself playin`this build, please? I`ve already watched the replays of MMA but it`s not that easy to get everything what he was doing (the casters weren`t only focussing at MMA of course^^). So I hope you can do that for me (and maybe for others, too). Greetings P.S.: Keep on doing such stuff, I think it`s helping people like me a lot :-) | ||
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solid.PhanT
Germany144 Posts
unfortunately I dont have a current replay from of me playing this build, because I stopped using it  (mass queens destroy it...)But there are already some replays in the opener (Spoiler "Replays/VODs", the last 8 replays). First of all you build 4 Marines before you build a reactor. Than you switch the factory with your barracks and build a tech lab on your barracks. So you have a factory (reactor) and a barracks (building tech lab) when you start your starport. Then you can switch the starport to the tech lab. I hope you understand :D If not...add me in battle.net (Phant 227) and I will try to show you :D Thanks for your feedback I will do a new guide as soon as I find a new amazing MMA build :D | ||
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Ope
Germany5 Posts
I`ve understood what you were explaining but I`ll just go ahead and add you in battle.net anyways :-P It`s always good to have a few persons you can ask some questions from time to time (just if you don`t mind). And then we could switch from english to german I guess^^ So thanks again and GL HF! | ||
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padfoota
Taiwan1571 Posts
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HanSomPa
United States87 Posts
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TheWickedDuck
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