[G] PvZ 7-gate Immortal +1/+1 - Page 6

On June 21 2012 23:45 DarKcS wrote:
Usually 2 immortals +1 is the recommended timing because you want to hit before the Zerg gets to 160 food. lol.

On June 26 2012 11:11 Masvidal wrote:
You know what makes this build really good? Making a Stargate instead of a Robo, and making VoidRays instead of Immortals. You have to drop proxy pylons, which is a drawback. But the build can be stopped once the sentries are either sniped or out of energy (if the zerg scouts it, and is good) because immortals can be focused down by roaches (or surrounded by lings). Neither of those things can happen with Voidrays. Something I just started playing around with, and I haven't gotten a full build order worked out yet only doing this build or slight variants with a stargate substituted for robo, VRs substituted for immortals, and proxy pylons substituted for prism, but I can see how there might be something there - the only real options for zerg are hydras or queens, because mutas would take too long with him already committed to roach/ling and aren't good vs mass stalker anyway, and spore crawlers can't move, so they just die to ground army then VRs come in. and both hydras and queens are gas heavy and slow, plus cut down on his roach count, which is good for zealot stalker sentry. just a thought.

On June 26 2012 12:28 RemarK wrote:


Genius has an excellent void ray into gateway all-in build, it hits with 2-3 void rays and +1 attack around 10:00 mark iirc. Immortals are a lot stronger than void rays vs roaches, but voids are better at denying scouting, forcing different reactions, and you can hit a bit faster.

On June 26 2012 11:11 Masvidal wrote:
You know what makes this build really good? Making a Stargate instead of a Robo, and making VoidRays instead of Immortals. You have to drop proxy pylons, which is a drawback. But the build can be stopped once the sentries are either sniped or out of energy (if the zerg scouts it, and is good) because immortals can be focused down by roaches (or surrounded by lings). Neither of those things can happen with Voidrays. Something I just started playing around with, and I haven't gotten a full build order worked out yet only doing this build or slight variants with a stargate substituted for robo, VRs substituted for immortals, and proxy pylons substituted for prism, but I can see how there might be something there - the only real options for zerg are hydras or queens, because mutas would take too long with him already committed to roach/ling and aren't good vs mass stalker anyway, and spore crawlers can't move, so they just die to ground army then VRs come in. and both hydras and queens are gas heavy and slow, plus cut down on his roach count, which is good for zealot stalker sentry. just a thought.

On July 02 2012 08:11 jdsowa wrote:
This build is very strong, because barring tremendous mistakes, zerg cannot kill a protoss army straight up unless they have broodlords. The whole issue stems from the fact that the counter to the stalker and the immortal is the zergling. But the zergling can't be effective since protoss moves in a ball. It's incredibly horrible design, but that's the game we've been given.