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kcdc

United States2311 Posts

February 28 2012 20:57 GMT

#41

On February 29 2012 04:17 oli470 wrote:

you have to forcefield him away with 3 forcefields and wait for warpins, if you miss these then you have to pull some probes.

You can delay for 15 seconds with 3 forcefields (2 on shakuras), but does that really save the nexus? You're still on a zealot and 3 sentries until 6:30 which means T can get uncontested bunkers at your expansion. And I don't see probe pulling saving the nexus either. If you have a replay vs this, I might reconsider, but from my experience, I don't think you can make it work without more/faster stuff.

Forbidden17

666 Posts

February 28 2012 20:58 GMT

#42

On February 29 2012 05:52 oli470 wrote:

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i have never seen this accompany a 2 rax, i think its too much of a tight build to allow for it, but by the time he could afford it you would have a stalker out to kill the scv before it could build to significant health.

Almost all variants of 1gate FE that skip zealot, queue the zealot initially and only cancel it if they confirm no block at the natural. You're right in that I don't think they would do it if they're 2rax'ing, but it's a huge nuisance if they do an economical opening and a simple engineering bay block delays your nexus by so long.

Arcanefrost

Belgium1257 Posts

February 28 2012 20:59 GMT

#43

Bling goes 2 probes on gas until after the gates. I believe he also goes 30nexus gate gate.

Polt waited a long time to attack. If he would have started making bunkers as his first marauder and 5 marines arrived he would have forced a cancel.

zmansman17

United States2567 Posts

February 28 2012 21:01 GMT

#44

On February 29 2012 04:39 zmansman17 wrote:
This doesn't take into account Terran micro, or a few SCVs, which will inevitably be sent with those initial units. Terran units on their own are not very strong. Micro'ed properly, these same units suddenly become much more cost efficient. For this reason, I don't find your illustrations to be of much value. Add a bunker into one of those shots and suddenly your decision making (as well as AI of your units) becomes obfuscated as well.

This point needs to be addressed. Also, chrono timings need to be clarified at certain timings to make the build even more effective. If chronos are used on units, and not on probes, even a well-microed 2 rax will be very easy to hold unless of course you are playing TSL_Polt.

netherh

United Kingdom333 Posts

February 28 2012 21:49 GMT

#45

On Cloud Kingdom, Polt's first marauder came out at 5:00. If he'd pushed then (and gone straight across, instead of meandering), he'd have reached the Protoss natural at around 5:45 when Bling had only 2 sentries. The third sentry comes out at 6:05, and then the gates are ready to warp in at about 6:25.

It strikes me that this isn't enough to hold of constant pressure. If Polt's 2 rax had arrived on time (5:45ish), the sentries would have used their energy before Bling had any more units (and maybe died anyway), Bling would have had at most 1 guardian shield / ff, and Polt could have kited effectively and traded efficiently.

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