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On February 28 2012 04:21 vorxaw wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2012 21:00 tiaz wrote:I'm in bronze :D Maybe i've just been unlucky cause the three zergs i've met have all went heavy baneling (even with no scouting). Though I'll keep doing this style cause its working great vT vP, and its nice to just focus on keeping resources spent! Also i've not played an immensely amount of games so yeah..  That's a perfect opportunity for you to force yourself to macro even harder, marines counter banelings pretty damn hard in bronze, just make like 30ish marines, stand them outside your base, pre spread them and forget about them... go back a macro raxes, ccs, depots etc. Watch as your marines magically take care of banelings
Forget banelings, I played a game on Shattered Temple earlier where I literally just threw 3 armies into seige tank lines, but kept producing and expanding and won. Of course, I got upgrades because he had cloaked banshees out, but it was an easy win, albeit fairly long.
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You just doomed me kind sir, I've just been put into platinum after my qual matches using this )
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and now make one for zerg and toss :D
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I have been in Bronze for the first 4 seasons and in Silver since then. I got out of Bronze by banshee rushing but platoed at Silver. I have tried this build and played 8 games with it so far and only lost 1.
This is great!!
The problem with the "Learn one built for each matchup" is : that is just way to much to learn all at once and you will get frustrated and give up.
The problems with most other builds are :
- It takes you to the 10 minute mark and then you are on your own.
- It assumes that you can Micro your units properly (Banshees to be effective at all past Silver need to be microed (even if only a little) so you have 2 options. Micro the units and win that particular battle but your Macro suffers badly and you loose the game or don't micro the units in which case you may as well just throw the resources out the window.
- They assume that a Bronze player can execute it as well as a Master`s player. And trust me a badly executed build will be crushed even if you are in Bronze.
I like this build because it makes the game simpler. Build the Army and A-move to your opponent`s base.
What this build needs is a follow up. (what do I do when I don,t miss a single unit production cycle and have 60+ SCVs at the 15 minute mark?) My suggestions.
- Add the Marauder Slow either right after or right before the combat shield
- Add +1 Weapons and +1 Army Upgrades then ensure you have the rest still down pat. Try to nail both upgrades before the 10 [Blizzard] minute mark.
- Once you grow comfortable then just add +2+2 and eventually +3+3 and aim to tighten the time you get the upgrades finish as early as possible.
- Since you need to have a factory to get the armory to unlock +2+2 then may as well get that factory a reactor and add non-stop hellion production to the build.
- Once you get all of that down pat, you got all your upgrades really early (I don't know a good early time for it but for the sake of argument lets just say 18 [Blizzard] minutes) then add Medivacs to the mix.
Notice that at no point in time did the CRITICAL part of this build ever changed. A-Move the army to your enemies base. All I did was add basic armor and weapons upgrades to the mix, one factory that is not idle producing its most basic unit: the Hellion, and 1 (or more) Starports producing Medivacs. That being said, by the time you would be comfortable to add all that I have added to it you should be in Gold. (+1+1 should be ok in Silver)
Just ideas to consider I know I already added the +3+3 upgrades to my build but I am having trouble figuring out when i should research them and most importantly how to add them without sacrificing unit production. Medivacs are still in the distant future for me :D
gl & hf!!
PS. I realize that to ever get to Diamond I'll have to start Microing the units. So learning to Micro the units I have will be the last on my list of do to things, probably once I'm a well established Gold Player. As a wise man probably said, To learn to micro, you have to have something to micro first.
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How to get out of bronze in 3 easy steps:
1) Make workers.
2) Build Pylons/OVs/Depots
3) Spend your money.
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The problem with Bronze is that build orders aren't followed. Or they're executed so slovenly that it doesn't even matter that there was a build order. When I tried to teach my Bronze friend how to 4-gate, he'd try it once, find out that it wasn't any faster than his normal build because he's so bad, and never did the build again.
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Yeah, the only real way to get the major noobs to get a build order is to sit behind them and making them restart the game (against computer) every time they click something wrong. If they're determined enough to learn rather than get frustrated and quit, after 1 hour you will have someone capable of executing a build order. The problem is, in many cases, getting frustrated quickly and having no patience to learn anything (mostly after a couple of tries, which would take less than 10 minutes since he'll probably do something wrong within the first 2 minutes of the game for the first few tries) is why they are in bronze in the first place. So again, it's really complicated to figure out how to get someone out of bronze.
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Did something like this a while ago to get myself out of Bronze from Halby's youtube channel. Glad to see something with this emphasis pop up again.
Here are Halby's videos in case anyone is interested. I like that his didn't really have a build order at all - made me more willing to experiment with builds and do things on my own - made the game more fun
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Lol I tried teaching my beginner friend and my goodness I was spent after about an hour. Good read op
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Just wanted to say that I've been stuck doing 1 base 3rax conc/stim timings in silver league and this is such a great learning tool. I've been winning all of my games but more importantly I am getting comfortable with managing multiple bases and learning to constantly build from all production buildings/keep supply depots building. Thank you so much!
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On February 29 2012 07:05 Grapefruit wrote:
How to get out of bronze in 3 easy steps:
1) Make workers.
2) Build Pylons/OVs/Depots
3) Spend your money.
Exactly.
The build in the original post is a more detailed way of completing these steps. Players who are stuck in bronze are struggling with your 3 steps, even if they are aware of them. Following the OP's build gives them something concrete to work with.
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On March 01 2012 07:08 zefreak wrote:
Just wanted to say that I've been stuck doing 1 base 3rax conc/stim timings in silver league and this is such a great learning tool. I've been winning all of my games but more importantly I am getting comfortable with managing multiple bases and learning to constantly build from all production buildings/keep supply depots building. Thank you so much!
Awesome! Thanks for sharing your success =D
Love hearing how people are using it and how/if it's helpful.
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Looks good. To bad I am not in bronze. The good ol days...
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@Taerix, or anyone who's also used Halby's Mineral Drill (mentioned by kingneckbeard), how do you think these two strategies compare? Is one more effective (in terms of learning macro)?
I've tried Halby's in like 6 or 7 ladder games, but I'm inactive again (another Bronze problem lol) and this approach looks pretty good.
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Mass MM without stim??? Do you have any idea of how much more effective this playstyle gets once "Stimpack" comes into the picture? Doesnt matter if you are in bronze, everyone can hit the "T" button
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this is actually a really nice guide. I'd recommend for any beginner. it's cool because you can add in things like ebay upgrades and medivacs as you start to master the basics.
well done!
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On March 01 2012 08:53 Moda wrote:Mass MM without stim??? Do you have any idea of how much more effective this playstyle gets once "Stimpack" comes into the picture? Doesnt matter if you are in bronze, everyone can hit the "T" button
no medivacs, bro.
i do find the lack of concussive to be a bit confusing, but medivacs are what make stim MM so good
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On March 01 2012 08:53 Moda wrote:Mass MM without stim??? Do you have any idea of how much more effective this playstyle gets once "Stimpack" comes into the picture? Doesnt matter if you are in bronze, everyone can hit the "T" button
not really worth using stim if you are going to a-move without any micro at all. but yes, once you master the macro, mix in some micro and stim + upgrades + medivacs will certainly push you up another couple of leagues
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Get stim. Its important and you just hit 1at then return to macro
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How would I apply this build concept to Protoss? I've only played about 50 games of SC2 but I'm stuck in the upper Bronze league.
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