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Great Write-Up!  When I played Terran I hated TvZ because I felt like the nature of the match-up put me at a disadvantage economically and forced me into a 2 base timing to attempt to slow down the zerg macro power. With this it goes head to head with zerg macro and often times wins!
On January 08 2012 02:34 Sianos wrote:
If you want to make a summary of every daily i would adivse you to not to it on TL. Maybe you can make a page or write those guides in pdf and just ad those links together in one topic. The Forums are already quite full of stuff and a new thread for every day9 daily would just be a bad idea.
He said that he is just going to do this for the 3 dailies for Terran Week, giving 1 strategy for each Terran Match-Up. He is NOT going to be summarizing every single daily. These are viable and valuable strategies, which is why Day[9] covered them in his daily.
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Looks like i'll end up trying this soon as i start playing again lol, i love big economic plays and i feel ike i should try running leaner openings for strong macro games. This works perfectly.
EDIT: oh btw, adding some vods or replays demonstrating would add a lot to you're guide aswell!
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On January 08 2012 01:23 Azera wrote:
[*]We will rely on Siege Tanks for defence (siege mode is quintessential).
It's just 'essential'. That's all.
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Great article. Just in time as I'm having some difficulties lately against zerg. Much appreciated.
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I love the guide. When I played terran back in the day I was just doing exactly the same thing because i don't like doing other whacky strats like BFH drop, banshees etc. But I just could not find an effective way to macro up and get a marine tank army of sheer strength like this. Bomber's style fits exactly right in. I really wish I can see this style before I switch to zerg...
BUT, you should include day9's png drawing of the strat!!!!
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Saw kawaiirice do something very close to this on his stream. It's really strong, only real differences i think were that he didn't switch the factory over to the tech lab and instead lifted it and built it's own tech lab while building the second barracks on the free reactor.
It's really strong, you get a super strong mid game push on 3 bases with some upgrades and it always looks as though you can expand.
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Nice guide I like the high number of pictures.
But... why didn't u use day9's beautiful drawing ;( lol jk. I like how you positioned your buildings in that picture at the top the same way day9 drew them tho :D
You're opening doesn't really matter, you can opt to go straight for Reactor Hellion play or you can do a delayed Reactor Hellion play. For rushing towards the Reactor Hellion play, you will want to get your first Refinery on 13 supply and for the delayed play, 16 supply.
Do not be concerned with your opening, but be concerned about your core buildings!
Unless the purpose of this guide (or these kinds of guides) is to sort of paraphrase or summarize what day9 said or the ideas/concepts he was trying to convey, you should definitely be concerned about your opening, and it DOES matter. Day9's point is that you shouldn't worry about those things first since it would be more efficient to understand the other parts first then learn the specific variations. Again, if you knew this and the purpose of this guide is to highlight one of day9's dailies, then sorry. (Though if this is so, I think you should stress that more in the introduction. You mention that the guide is "for" day9's dailies, but don't mention other specifics, like in what way we are to read or interpret the guide).
Thanks for the guide!
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How well does this fare against the stephano style of mass lings with upgrade into fast hives tech unit and infestor because honestly the typical mutas opening isn't what is giving me much trouble lately. I'm pretty sure that with the stephano style the zerg will max out before you and have better upgrades then you when you push out. Also he will most likely take more base then you if he is aware of what you are doing.
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I'm still not convinced on how this does again a Zerg going into like 5 bases, the lack of harassment really allows the Zerg to drone up soooo hard. With superior eco and tech I feel like zerg can just walk over you, or at least it all comes down to just big battle where if you lose, you won't be able to remake your stuff fast enough.
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On January 08 2012 09:32 namste wrote:
I'm still not convinced on how this does again a Zerg going into like 5 bases, the lack of harassment really allows the Zerg to drone up soooo hard. With superior eco and tech I feel like zerg can just walk over you, or at least it all comes down to just big battle where if you lose, you won't be able to remake your stuff fast enough.
Exactly. If the zerg know what you are doing I don't think you can allow him to take 4-5 base really fast. You have to push earlier or something, orelse you pretty much rely on not missing a single depot and having a perfect engagement.
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On January 08 2012 01:29 Sianos wrote:
Nice summary of the daily. I think the daily was very important to get away from the thinking: "I have to be very agressive aggainst Zerg and need perfect Micro". You can just Macro as terran in every matchup. Due to your good abilities for defense you can be really greedy like building your 3rd CC really fast and get your Upgrades really fast. The core of a good setup for a Macro Terran game really are those upgrades.
But if you try this remember to stop SCV production if you have like 66 - 70 SCvs and get more OC and suicide some SCVs, so that your army can be much bigger.
when bomber attack he still has to micro...
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"We will rely on Siege Tanks for defence (siege mode is quintessential)."
This is silly, but I feel the need to point it out, simply saying "siege mode is essential" would have been the way to go here, adding the quint is nice but it changes the meaning of the word into something different. If you were saying Siege Mode is the quintessential upgrade in the TvZ mach-up that would make sense but simply saying "siege mode is quintessential" is weird and makes me think you are using words you don't understand just because they are long, no offense.
Adjective:
Representing the most perfect or typical example of a quality or class: "the quintessential tough guy".
I know I'm an a-hole for pointing it out and I know my own post probably has many grammar errors as well but hey, I had to say it. Thanks for the guide tho very nice.
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Nice guide.
Pics also very beneficial.
Thanks!
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On January 08 2012 10:15 MrF wrote:
"We will rely on Siege Tanks for defence (siege mode is quintessential)."
This is silly, but I feel the need to point it out, simply saying "siege mode is essential" would have been the way to go here, adding the quint is nice but it changes the meaning of the word into something different. If you were saying Siege Mode is the quintessential upgrade in the TvZ mach-up that would make sense but simply saying "siege mode is quintessential" is weird and makes me think you are using words you don't understand just because they are long, no offense.
Adjective:
Representing the most perfect or typical example of a quality or class: "the quintessential tough guy".
I know I'm an a-hole for pointing it out and I know my own post probably has many grammar errors as well but hey, I had to say it. Thanks for the guide tho very nice.
That was probably the most pointless thing you could say. Completely irrelevant to this thread. This guy is contributing and you feel the need to pick apart some vocab lol SMH ((-.-)). Anyhow, nice guide. I actually missed this daily so this helped ^^ thanks OP
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I'm glad that you guys enjoyed the guide :D I'll take what advice you guys have into consideration.
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On January 08 2012 10:45 Azera wrote:
I'm glad that you guys enjoyed the guide :D I'll take what advice you guys have into consideration.
a guy in the thread posted a time line really showing detail of what you should by x time. That really explained things well also, i recommend you do something similar for the other threads you plan on making ^^
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On January 08 2012 10:47 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 10:45 Azera wrote:
I'm glad that you guys enjoyed the guide :D I'll take what advice you guys have into consideration. a guy in the thread posted a time line really showing detail of what you should by x time. That really explained things well also, i recommend you do something similar for the other threads you plan on making ^^
But that makes the build really rigid and confines people to a box.
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On January 08 2012 02:34 Sianos wrote:
If you want to make a summary of every daily i would adivse you to not to it on TL. Maybe you can make a page or write those guides in pdf and just ad those links together in one topic. The Forums are already quite full of stuff and a new thread for every day9 daily would just be a bad idea.
In my opinion having a more active forum isn't such a bad thing, nor is improving the quality of the average posts. Its true doing it for every day9 might be overkill, but its a lot quicker to read a thread than watch a daily.
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On January 08 2012 10:52 FirstGear wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2012 02:34 Sianos wrote:
If you want to make a summary of every daily i would adivse you to not to it on TL. Maybe you can make a page or write those guides in pdf and just ad those links together in one topic. The Forums are already quite full of stuff and a new thread for every day9 daily would just be a bad idea. In my opinion having a more active forum isn't such a bad thing, nor is improving the quality of the average posts. Its true doing it for every day9 might be overkill, but its a lot quicker to read a thread than watch a daily.
Yeah, I don't think I have it in me to cover all the Dailies.
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