[Q] ForGG's opening vs Z - Page 2

this kind of opening has used a lot by gumiho recently, who first showed it at WCG and beat Nestea on taldarim

the opening's idea is to get reactor hellion expand (CC first if u want) and get banshees + hellions to contain and harass the zerg

because of hellion and banshee being able to defend against all early zerg busts, like zerglings and banelings and roaches, and because mutas don't come until like at least 10:30 usually, you will have your third set up at 9:10-9:30 and have lots of time to get thors/turrets up. Because of this, the opening allows terran to take a very fast third base (or in this case, get a lot of factory production and tech going) safely while the zerg has to stay on 2 base until he can connect the creep to his third so he can defend his bases with queens + spines.

from what i saw, forgg built 2 more factories before the CC instead of the other way like gumiho does, and he likes to get cloak banshees and i haven't seen him get ravens after the first 1-2 banshees like gumiho sometimes does

the thor hellion push is just one of the many options that you can follow up the opening with

As to how to deal with this kind of opening, you stay on 2 base and drone up a lot and get lots of queens and make sure u can wall off the nat from hellions (buildings and/or queens). Roaches are not safe because you don't know how many banshees he's getting or the exact build he's doing; on big maps like tal'darim especially, the 1-2 banshees will stop any kind of roach bust. If your roach bust happens to survive and deal a lot of damage to terran, it means that your econ (zerg) will be very very behind since you pumped so many roaches.

Reason why I say drone up a lot is so that you can saturate your third ASAP once you finally get it, or else if he takes a fast third you will be very behind economically.

Now I'm not too familiar with forgg's build but i saw it on his stream. I would say that after the queens, you simply add roaches. Roaches beat thors and hellions efficiently as long as it's not a 200/200 situation, and you should have queens to defend against banshees. Forgg's thor hellion push followup will punish zergs who go muta (and possibly infestor, im not sure about the timing of fungal though) as a response to the hellion/banshee contain/harass. (Even if terran takes a quick third instead, he will have thors + turrets up in time to deal with mutas since you build your third at 7:30).




Ugh I hate how people keep misusing the terms "metagame" "gimmicky" "mechanics" and others. Idra has strong macro. Any pro should have good mechanics. Heck any serious Masters player should know all the useful mechanics that pertain to his race and its matchups. Mechanics are not what you do but how you do them. For example, to have good macro is to inject your hatcheries all the time. To have the mechanics to do that, you know how to use a method that allows you to do that, for example backspace method. Knowing that you can shift-queue commands for units is also mechanics, so on. It would be quite embarrassing for a progamer to not know how to, for example, stutter step, or rally your workers on your mineral lines, or to a-click the ground to home in on units instead of right clicking an enemy's army.

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If you're a basketball player, if you have good mechanics it means that you have good form, posture, footwork, etc. It does not refer to how good you are at scoring points or stealing balls or passing, etc.

1.( used with a singular verb ) the branch of physics that deals with the action of forces on bodies and with motion, comprised of kinetics, statics, and kinematics.
2.( used with a singular verb ) the theoretical and practical application of this science to machinery, mechanical appliances, etc.
3.( usually used with a plural verb ) the technical aspect or working part; mechanism; structure.
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