[G] Hyper-Aggressive TvZ: Improving Mechanics - Page 3

On December 01 2011 16:11 boboyo wrote:
doesn't mass speedling just crush the push at 8:00? Even if not, you give 5 mins to let the zerg do whatever he wants before you push again at 13:00? I'd hardly call that hyperaggressive.

edit: I tried this build twice on ladder because you obviously a lot of thought into the guide, so I was hoping it would work, but I got crushed by mass speedling as i suspected. Perhaps metal was not a good map to do it on, it's too easy to flank.

my point about 5 min in between attacks being way too long still holds though. And it's not like you can just push earlier; there is just no way you can produce enough to be threatening because of how late your expansion and production buildings get up.

On December 06 2011 01:38 RamonMcGrady wrote:
Ok Tang, here is ST_Rainbow on yesterday's NA Playhem Daily doing it to a Zerg. It is not EXACTLY what you say, as he transitions onto mech upon the 5 marine - 1 hellion push -> you'll see that he keeps pushing with marines, hellions and banshees to force the opponent to commit to units and to avoid droning.

I hope it helps to give more variations

ST_Rainbow mech transition

On December 06 2011 10:50 TangSC wrote:

tyvm for finding that, it's actually really cool he goes hellions instead of tanks and just rallies his barracks/factory/starport and streams marine/hellion/banshee. By skipping tanks he only needs 1 gas and so can get an earlier expansion (6:30), then puts down 2 factories and an armory shortly after. He starts massing hellions for a bit until his armory is done, then starts making thors and hellions. The starport eventually gets a reactor for the 3rd factory and you make hellions/thors off 3 factories. Eventually you add a 3rd base and a fourth and fifth factory and just keep massing thor/tank/hellions until maxed. Keep constant upgrades and push and you should be like 2-1 or 2-2 by maxed out then you pretty much A-move.

On December 07 2011 03:54 RamonMcGrady wrote:


You brought some more detail than what I could grasp upon seeing the VOD. Actually, I think it might be reactionary -> mutas coming? you need faster thors. Just mass upgraded roach? You may need a little less hellions, a little more gas and tanks.

Just saw that you put it up on the transitions section, but you forgot to add the link to the VOD

Keep it up, it's quite helpful.

PS: It's RamonMcGrady, with the 'Mc' thing in the middle, as on the Tracy McGrady NBA player ^^ gl hf!!

On December 08 2011 23:37 forevernerdy wrote:
ive kind of blended the st_rainbow and Tang style...so ive been trying the 6:30 expansion and a couple extra hellions and THEN get 2nd gas and start producing tanks right away. it lets you put on a lot more pressure early, but then your 8min push is either weaker or comes later. i lik eto pressure with the hellions/marines and then actually keep the tanks seiged back at my expansion and pressure again when i have a banshee (and rally the 2nd banshee) to try to pick off a queen and some drones. its a lot more harass and requires more multitasking and has a smaller chance of winning the game outright, but its good practice. havent tried mech transitions i like the marine/tnak/medi but when i do some ill let you know how it goes

On December 07 2011 03:28 pingy[wen] wrote:
How does this do against a zerg that posts up 4 - 5 spines and techs straight up to muta with ling support? I feel as though this build is subject to being countered by moderately fast mutas or if the zerg decides to tech up first rather than all out macro first, tech later. Otherwise, I would love aggressive terran play.

On December 13 2011 06:53 Ghostfoot wrote:
JW could more replays be produced? I feel like there is something wrong with my execution because this build stopped working for me :/