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EndOfLineTv
Profile Joined February 2011
United States741 Posts
October 30 2011 18:36 GMT
#41
If you can't even win with such a huge advantage, you're actually killing eSports



lmao!

But seriously now. Your guides are fantastic! Great detail, and easy to read! Keep up the amazing work sir!

Chaosvuistje Fighting!
EndOfLineTv
Profile Joined February 2011
United States741 Posts
October 30 2011 19:03 GMT
#42
Oh and question: When you do your BO opening: 14h 15p, 17g, ect. With only 2 drones, instead of 3, are you hitting some sort of macro gas/min timing with that to be more larve efficient to yield a bit more min at first?
Zjub
Profile Joined August 2011
New Zealand7 Posts
October 30 2011 19:52 GMT
#43
So comprehensive, nice work man!
All men are born free, yet everywhere they are in chains
Chaosvuistje
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands2581 Posts
October 30 2011 20:20 GMT
#44
On October 31 2011 04:03 EndOfLine wrote:
Oh and question: When you do your BO opening: 14h 15p, 17g, ect. With only 2 drones, instead of 3, are you hitting some sort of macro gas/min timing with that to be more larve efficient to yield a bit more min at first?


There's no real science behind it, it's just that having one drone in gas will get me too little gas and a delayed speed so I can't really be aggressive with it should I want to. Three drones gets me speed too fast, hence the two drones. Besides, I don't really need 3 drones for quite some time since I tend to go for a +1 melee before starting my lair. If you prefer another hatch first opening, that's the style you should stick to. I just stuck to this one because it is safe for me.
EndOfLineTv
Profile Joined February 2011
United States741 Posts
October 30 2011 21:19 GMT
#45
On October 31 2011 05:20 Chaosvuistje wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 04:03 EndOfLine wrote:
Oh and question: When you do your BO opening: 14h 15p, 17g, ect. With only 2 drones, instead of 3, are you hitting some sort of macro gas/min timing with that to be more larve efficient to yield a bit more min at first?


There's no real science behind it, it's just that having one drone in gas will get me too little gas and a delayed speed so I can't really be aggressive with it should I want to. Three drones gets me speed too fast, hence the two drones. Besides, I don't really need 3 drones for quite some time since I tend to go for a +1 melee before starting my lair. If you prefer another hatch first opening, that's the style you should stick to. I just stuck to this one because it is safe for me.


I was just looking for your scientific rationale, which you gave me :D. Awesome.

Looking at your build, I was just theory crafting what could be better/adaptable for my B/O. (I have not tested it yet, but will) early gas but 2 drones at 17 compared to gas with 3 drones after 18 lord.
I personally like to macro behind an aggressive roach scouting party (and to counter helion expand) So I think im going to see if 14 hatch 15 pool can give the same amount of min/gas faster for such a build compared to 15/16 18.

Sorry, just typing/thinking "outloud." But regardless. well thoughtout guide. :D
Hodges
Profile Joined October 2011
Great Britain3 Posts
October 30 2011 21:42 GMT
#46
What I want to know is why no one ever uses this tactic I thought up and use all the time?

[image loading]
Easytouch1500
Profile Joined July 2011
United States66 Posts
December 08 2011 00:04 GMT
#47
Why do none of these threads have many replies? Your guides are fucking amazing. As a protoss switching to zerg I truly have to commend you
"He sees my 8 stalkers and my giant e-penis, and he's gonna make sentries" -Alejandrisha
Chaosvuistje
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands2581 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-08 08:05:27
December 08 2011 08:04 GMT
#48
On December 08 2011 09:04 Easytouch1500 wrote:
Why do none of these threads have many replies? Your guides are fucking amazing. As a protoss switching to zerg I truly have to commend you


[G] threads don't tend to create a lot of discussion unless the content can be questioned or is false. For example the Grandmaster to 6 pool thread gets a lot of replies just because people disagree with it.

That and from my own research my ZvT guide is the least popular ( because I assume its the match up people have the easiest time in ) while ZvZ is way up there, ZvP close behind.

Oh, and Hodges, I've done that tactic a bit after the Leenock games, very fun and awesome :D!
firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
December 08 2011 08:11 GMT
#49
These are all pretty amazing, great job man!
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karnius
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom52 Posts
December 08 2011 09:24 GMT
#50
On October 31 2011 06:42 Hodges wrote:
What I want to know is why no one ever uses this tactic I thought up and use all the time?

[image loading]


I use it a hell of alot, So funny to see a full saturation of works coming and to Press X and see how long it takes the Terran to realize what you've actually done
Very effective and easy to pull off
Like a wet Noodle
Tobberoth
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden6375 Posts
December 08 2011 09:44 GMT
#51
On October 31 2011 06:42 Hodges wrote:
What I want to know is why no one ever uses this tactic I thought up and use all the time?

[image loading]

Now this is just me overestimating my opponents, but it feels to me like any good terran would scan every expansion they build, especially if they have seen baneling tech.
Chaosvuistje
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands2581 Posts
December 08 2011 11:19 GMT
#52
On December 08 2011 18:44 Tobberoth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2011 06:42 Hodges wrote:
What I want to know is why no one ever uses this tactic I thought up and use all the time?

[image loading]

Now this is just me overestimating my opponents, but it feels to me like any good terran would scan every expansion they build, especially if they have seen baneling tech.


Not really, some Terrans build a Turret or so but it is good to do in the rare case where the terran transfers like 30 SCV's over to that expansion . It's only slightly risky since you're only risking 100 gas to have a chance at ruining the Terran's economy.
srsrazrsushi
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands28 Posts
December 08 2011 11:44 GMT
#53
Hey dude I don't know who the hell you are but you wrote quite insanely good guides man lol. Speaking as a Dutch zerg myself I am proud to popularize your guides in any way possible. It looks to me like the depth of your guides reach well into high master leagues level, therefore in theory could prove useful for more than 95% of all SC2 zerg players lol. I agree with some other people too, saying why aren't your guides getting more (deserved) attention. Cause not only are people writing 'guides' 24/7 with bad information, they don't look flashy either. Your guides do, I thought it wouldn't be possible for a person to write (1) a good guide and (2) make it look good as well. But you've done it and I must say in the 2 years I've played sc2 and read so many bs I must say this has to be in the top 3 of all guides I saw. Good job and keep it up!
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