[G] Zoia's Reaper Ghost Marauder TvT - Page 4

On September 05 2011 17:25 DreamRaider wrote:
how does ghost sniper work on scv? Scv are mechanical units and snipe only works on biological

On September 05 2011 11:51 GeisArchrion wrote:
Thanks for sharing this Zoia. I like you have been fascinated by the ghost and i've been using them in TvT particularly for a number of months now. My ghost play has always been marine ghost really, which has been fantastic against openers like hellions, banshee, marine rush or just MMM. The build wasn't very successful against early tanks or even just a couple of bunkers however, and nukes didn't always solve the problem.

This build though packs much more of a punch with being marauder heavy, so tanks and bunkers are no longer a problem with the ghosts still working wonders against hellions banshees and marines. I think this build really suits the style i'm comfortable playing. I'm only plat but I can snipe pretty well, so the deciding factor is more to do with macro and being able to keep up production during all the micro.

I'll let you know of a couple of games I tried:

After some practise I played a Terran on the ladder and the build was pretty succesful. He reaper expanded, but luckily i was able to snipe the reaper with my own before he got into my base. He then got about 4 tanks and a bunker at his cliff but I was able to drop a nice nuke on the edge, and snipe all the marines he sent to try and take out the ghost. Cleaning the rest of his army was quite easy, I sniped all his scv's, however somehow I couldn't finish him right away, he had medivacs and was able to keep some of his units alive enough to drop my mineral lines frequently. I won in the end but I was certain I had won at about the 10 minute mark.

I then practised against a team mate who is in Diamond now. He commonly opens with banshee in TvT's, I probably could have used this bit of metagame to my advantage but I wanted to make sure by scouting. Unfortunately he spotted my reaper and was able to deny scouting to his base, meaning I missed the tech starport. Either way I expected he might go banshees so I had a ghost academy down in time. The issue was after building the extra 4 reapers I started building marauders. When I sent the next lot of reapers i saw his starport, but by then it was too late, since his banshee was already in my base killing workers and I had no ghosts out. By the time I had 2 ghosts I had probably lost a 3rd of my scv's, which left me behind the entire game. I think if I had the two ghosts before the banshee arrived I might have won quite confidently against the rest of his build.

I'm trying to fix the timing of the ghosts when it comes to banshees, since it takes so long for ghosts to come out.

I was wondering what your thinking was on the matter. If I see a starport should I build ghosts after reapers immediately? If so could this delay marauder production or the expansion longer than intended?

Another thing is that 3 reapers is the magic number to 1 shot scv's. So 5 reapers is a confusing number to attack with. Any reason for 5? or was this just a good size to go with in case a couple die?

Good luck with improving the build further.

On September 05 2011 20:50 eieio wrote:
I just played vs this build on ladder. I did 1 rax fe into 3 rax fast combat shield and crushed it. I'm sure that my opponent didn't play it perfectly and whatnot, but it didn't seem like there was a point where his reapers really had a chance to do damage to me and after that it was a pretty straightforward game.

I'm a ~700 points masters terran. Here's the rep:
http://drop.sc/32296

edit: drop.sc doesn't seem to be working so here's another link to the same rep:
http://www.sc-replay.com/replay/05-09-11/205764-NMxeieio-VS-Ponyo.html?justUp=1

On September 05 2011 17:25 DreamRaider wrote:
how does ghost sniper work on scv? Scv are mechanical units and snipe only works on biological

On September 06 2011 01:52 jazzman wrote:
Here is a transition replay:
http://replayfu.com/r/qKLLxc

Youll need to fast forward to the second match since its a 1v1 obs game.

@eieio That may have been the build but it was executed rather poorly. At the 9 minute mark he has 3 Marauders and 3 ghosts. Usually I will have 3 ghosts and 6 marauders at that point and Im only gold. Basically this is the army composition:

4 Marauders, 14 marines (you)
3 Ghosts (9 snipes), 3 Marauders, 5 Reapers (him)

He also made a late transition to tanks which is IMO a bad idea. If anything this transitions best into heavy bio play and late mech play.

On September 06 2011 02:00 jazzman wrote:
wrong link, here you go http://replayfu.com/download/qKLLxc

On September 06 2011 02:47 VirusSonG wrote:
Surprise when i saw a player doing that against me, in fact, i made this BO.
Nothing to add.

On September 06 2011 03:59 Zoia wrote:
thanks for all the input and support guys!

On September 06 2011 10:44 E.H Eager wrote:
Awesome build, I've been looking for a way to move away from siege tanks.
Do you have any replays of you losing to the iechoic style?

Also, keep in mind that if you do find a way to deal with the high amount of banshees while keeping the core of ghost marauder, the eventual transition for the build it to tech to battle cruisers. Making ghosts basically useless against air.