[G] PvP Stronger 4 gate - Page 4

On August 30 2011 03:33 Kornholi0 wrote:


Lol this 4 gate is a standard 4 gate. The difference between his "very precise and clean" 4 gate and mine is completely different.

a) my plat friends could pull a 4 gate almost identically to this.
b) there are 0 timings associated with this build outside of when to build the gateways.

When he selected his probes, I counted exactly 16 on mineral patches, and 3 on gas, with 1 scouting probe. That is a STANDARD 20 probe 4 gate. That is what this build intends to destroy, and if he stays back for his 2nd wave as CombatEX says is SOOOOO important, that will give his build 0 advantages over mine, and he will get his world rocked.

The real difference is this 4 gate hits about 15-20 seconds after a standard 4 gate. The other difference is that there is more map presence early on, you counter 3 gate stalker openings, and have MORE economy than a standard 4 gate, WHILE having 7 stalkers and 2 zealots, rather than 6 stalkers and 1 zealot.

So you are saying that you could beat CombatEx in a PvP because your build > then his build. (Aside from any macro/afterthefact differences).

On August 31 2011 08:39 Vlare wrote:
Been doing this build lately, I really like it. Thanks for this Saro, working vs 1700+ masters players on NA. I have no doubt in its ability to work at higher levels as well. I threw in a gas steal on cross positions to further force the 4gate... what are your thoughts on this Saro ?

On August 31 2011 12:04 SaroVati wrote:


No problem Hm I had a little experiment / variation I was doing a while back, but threw it out the window when I decided it didn't work TOO well. If I saw only 1 chrono boost saved up by the time my core finished, I would gas steal him instantly. If I saw 50+ energy saved up, I would hesitate on it and do it 50/50 depending on what I thought might happen. If I saw 75+ saved up I would just go with the build because he's 90% going to do a 4 gate, and if not you will be 3 probes ahead.

The only REAL way other than the reads above of executing a gas steal AND keeping the timings relatively the same is to cut probes down to 20/21. Since you know for sure your opponent is going to 4 gate, I guess it shouldn't be too bad if you want a micro battle, but you REALLY have to be active with your first 3 stalkers + 2 zealots OR 5 stalkers (you can make the 4th and 5th units STALKERS because your 3rd and 4th gate will be delayed slightly for warpgate tech anyways because of the probe cut)

Again, it's your call, my build isn't set in stone My recommendation is if you feel you can use your starting 3 stalkers very effectively and feel comfortable and patient enough to wait it out, go for it! Like you stated though, I would only suggest it on cross positions, and most preferably Shattered, Abyssal, or TDA cross position anyways. Great to know it's working for you though and I'm honored to have people try adding new ideas onto the build

On August 31 2011 12:51 Vlare wrote:


Yes I agree with you, about having to cut the probes. What I really like is how they push you because of the delayed stalker, and then are surprised with 3 stalkers, against some players I am simply able to snipe the probe/pylon, pull back to my ramp and greet them with 2 zealots+ my stalkers and be in a very great position.

Really appreciate your opener my friend, keep it up

On August 31 2011 16:07 mazqo wrote:
Why do you people want to still 4gate? maybe learn to play blinkstalkerz/colo games. This build is only valid for defense, not offense. So, fast tech builds are so much ahead. And you cant do anything against gas steal.

On September 09 2011 23:06 Nyast wrote:
So I've played a fair number of games with that build, and while I still like it, I found that it's indeed very risky if you get gas-stolen.

It takes ages for your 3 stalkers to kill the assimilator and if you wait for the 2 zealots to kill it, and he's taken a fast gas, you're far behind in tech.

This leaves you with no choice other than 4-gating him. Problem is: good players can hold a 4-gate especially as the warp is slightly delayed, since you're spending your chronos into probes. The attack can't really start before 6', which is too late versus good protoss, who will just temporize with sentries until their immortal is done. After that, you're severely behind..

I get gas-stolen an insane amount of times with that build, far more than usual. Of course that's logical: with their scouting probe they see you're spending a ton of chronos on the nexus, so they suspect you'll be teching, so they take your gas.

So the only real solution to a gas steal seems to be 4 gating agressively, which is exactly what your opponent is expecting Or to take a fast 2nd gas, which kindda disturbs the build.