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etherealfall
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia476 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-27 14:50:10
October 27 2012 14:49 GMT
#7201
On October 27 2012 19:17 brofestor wrote:
now would any kind toss here watch the first game of OSL finals between Rain and DRG then tell me what rain would have done better, considering his multi-tasking, macro, harassing are top notch yet still lose the game. Should toss just all-in all PvZ or just go to blizz hq and chuck the cd at browder's face.


Less stalkers, better transition into air and spell caster toss.
DRG had a HUGE army compared to Rain. To fight against cost efficiency with a smaller army is nigh on impossible.
Gumbi
Profile Joined June 2012
Ireland463 Posts
October 27 2012 17:19 GMT
#7202
On October 27 2012 22:42 wajd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2012 16:09 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
On October 27 2012 14:51 wajd wrote:
I've been Plat for 2.5 years as Protoss. I lost pretty much every game I played tonight. Obviously I cannot go any further.
Any Protoss experts feel like helping me understand why I've reached my ceiling? I have to why I wasted 3 years of my life.
Please let me know if anybody out there can HELP ME.
Thank you.


you should specify what help are you looking for? Coaching, going over replays, proper build orders just to name a few


Thats the problem. I've tried everything, except coaching, because I don't have the money for it.

What's the advice been? By picking a basic 2 base BO, with a strong timing in each MU, you should win if you perfect your macro. I think working from their is the best way forward to Master's.

Lower leagues sometimes find it condescending when Master's players tell them all they need to do is work on their macro. While I accept that sometimes people under-estimate the difficulty of this game (I mean, one needs to dedicate a lot of time to this game only to be a Master's player generally), for the most part, the advice is sound.
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
October 27 2012 18:26 GMT
#7203
On October 28 2012 02:19 Gumbi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2012 22:42 wajd wrote:
On October 27 2012 16:09 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
On October 27 2012 14:51 wajd wrote:
I've been Plat for 2.5 years as Protoss. I lost pretty much every game I played tonight. Obviously I cannot go any further.
Any Protoss experts feel like helping me understand why I've reached my ceiling? I have to why I wasted 3 years of my life.
Please let me know if anybody out there can HELP ME.
Thank you.


you should specify what help are you looking for? Coaching, going over replays, proper build orders just to name a few


Thats the problem. I've tried everything, except coaching, because I don't have the money for it.

What's the advice been? By picking a basic 2 base BO, with a strong timing in each MU, you should win if you perfect your macro. I think working from their is the best way forward to Master's.

Lower leagues sometimes find it condescending when Master's players tell them all they need to do is work on their macro. While I accept that sometimes people under-estimate the difficulty of this game (I mean, one needs to dedicate a lot of time to this game only to be a Master's player generally), for the most part, the advice is sound.


There's TONS of free coaches, you should check out the free coaching thread.
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
UmbeXCII
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy69 Posts
October 27 2012 23:35 GMT
#7204
Is there a guide for the PvT style that goes 1 gate expo ->single colossus->double forge->HT?
I only found a VOD on the CreatorPrime PvT topic but if there's a proper guide I'd like to give it a read.
Thank you
monk
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States8476 Posts
October 27 2012 23:40 GMT
#7205
On October 28 2012 08:35 UmbeXCII wrote:
Is there a guide for the PvT style that goes 1 gate expo ->single colossus->double forge->HT?
I only found a VOD on the CreatorPrime PvT topic but if there's a proper guide I'd like to give it a read.
Thank you

Nope =(
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UmbeXCII
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy69 Posts
October 27 2012 23:43 GMT
#7206
On October 28 2012 08:40 monk. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2012 08:35 UmbeXCII wrote:
Is there a guide for the PvT style that goes 1 gate expo ->single colossus->double forge->HT?
I only found a VOD on the CreatorPrime PvT topic but if there's a proper guide I'd like to give it a read.
Thank you

Nope =(

Thank you anyway, I hope someone will make it soon!
etherealfall
Profile Joined December 2011
Australia476 Posts
October 28 2012 00:49 GMT
#7207
On October 28 2012 08:43 UmbeXCII wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2012 08:40 monk. wrote:
On October 28 2012 08:35 UmbeXCII wrote:
Is there a guide for the PvT style that goes 1 gate expo ->single colossus->double forge->HT?
I only found a VOD on the CreatorPrime PvT topic but if there's a proper guide I'd like to give it a read.
Thank you

Nope =(

Thank you anyway, I hope someone will make it soon!


Why don't you just add in more gateway units instead of colossus? Skip range. Seems intuitive enough.
PieTaster
Profile Joined September 2011
52 Posts
October 28 2012 01:21 GMT
#7208
PvT build order that uses stargate? Or just not viable?
The brofestors are after you next.
JCKE
Profile Joined July 2008
United States52 Posts
October 28 2012 01:39 GMT
#7209
On October 28 2012 10:21 PieTaster wrote:
PvT build order that uses stargate? Or just not viable?


What i'd give for a phoenix PvT build that works in GM..
I heard some pros still use it in tourney matches
Grandmaster Protoss || www.twitch.tv/hartacus || http://sc2ranks.com/us/2551547/JCKE
MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
October 28 2012 03:03 GMT
#7210
On October 28 2012 10:21 PieTaster wrote:
PvT build order that uses stargate? Or just not viable?



From what I've seen/heard pvt buildorders that involve stargate aren't viable until around 2-33 bases. From then on you can transition into phoenix collosi. There are also some phoenix builds that were around when 1-1-1 was really really common. However as for exact buildorders I don't have any
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
MysteryMeat1
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States3292 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-28 03:09:12
October 28 2012 03:07 GMT
#7211
On October 28 2012 08:35 UmbeXCII wrote:
Is there a guide for the PvT style that goes 1 gate expo ->single colossus->double forge->HT?
I only found a VOD on the CreatorPrime PvT topic but if there's a proper guide I'd like to give it a read.
Thank you



I've been playing around with it for a while. Some problems that I have been having with it is that its harder to defend drops, HT are soo slow T.T as well as defending 3 bases. However if you get passed this part you are in really great shape.


Other notes is that this build order is really map dependent, on how easy it is to defend drops. I don't really reccomend it on maps where you have to walk really far to get to the drop zone.

Also really good terrans will scout that you stopped making collo and stop making vikings. bunkers and supply depot walls also shut down this kind of style hard because HT can't storm bunkers.

Need to go up to 6gates before you can take your 3rd as well. Even more important because HT have such a long cool down.

This build also shuts down the 5rax starport all-in quite nicely off of two bases because HT will do soo much dmg.
"Cause ya know, Style before victory." -The greatest mafia player alive
Chylith
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada167 Posts
October 28 2012 04:15 GMT
#7212
On October 28 2012 10:21 PieTaster wrote:
PvT build order that uses stargate? Or just not viable?

Depends if you're looking for a macro build or an allin.
3 gate stargate void ray allin is still perfectly viable on most maps.

For macro builds though there's a lot of cute things you can do that will work "fine" up till like low GM or even in a tourney as sort of a "wild card" in a Best of X as long as your mechanics are solid, but none have really specific build orders + Show Spoiler +
at least that I know of
If you're still interested I can probably type up a few rough descriptions of them and how they work, but I don't have any specific build orders since I either: have only seen them used or use them as a wild card build myself. lol
Goddamnit this is the most retarded thing I will read all week and it's only fucking tuesday. ~Hawk
Ch0
Profile Joined October 2012
Finland2 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-28 14:46:51
October 28 2012 14:46 GMT
#7213
Hi, I'm Protos player in Bronze League that is having hard time in PvT.
I'm pretty new player and I didn't see any other problems than having more minerals and little bit less gas in mid game.
Could someone please inform me what I'm doing wrong?
http://www.mediafire.com/?clic82fl4c9zqs5

Asmodeusx
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
286 Posts
October 28 2012 15:31 GMT
#7214
On October 28 2012 23:46 Ch0 wrote:
Hi, I'm Protos player in Bronze League that is having hard time in PvT.
I'm pretty new player and I didn't see any other problems than having more minerals and little bit less gas in mid game.
Could someone please inform me what I'm doing wrong?
http://www.mediafire.com/?clic82fl4c9zqs5



If you are in bronze league, and you're new to the game, you should focus purely on making probes, pylons and units. In every matchup, just make 3 gates and make units out of them constantly without stopping your probe production. Check out some guides for general outlines of builds, but focus ONLY on making probes 100% of the time, never getting supply blocked and keeping your money below 500 at all times, by making units constantly and adding more production buildings.

This will get you to diamond.
Hermetis Vögelein ist mein Nahm verlahs meine Flügel und werde zahm.
ZeromuS
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada13389 Posts
October 28 2012 18:01 GMT
#7215
On October 29 2012 00:31 Asmodeusx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 28 2012 23:46 Ch0 wrote:
Hi, I'm Protos player in Bronze League that is having hard time in PvT.
I'm pretty new player and I didn't see any other problems than having more minerals and little bit less gas in mid game.
Could someone please inform me what I'm doing wrong?
http://www.mediafire.com/?clic82fl4c9zqs5



If you are in bronze league, and you're new to the game, you should focus purely on making probes, pylons and units. In every matchup, just make 3 gates and make units out of them constantly without stopping your probe production. Check out some guides for general outlines of builds, but focus ONLY on making probes 100% of the time, never getting supply blocked and keeping your money below 500 at all times, by making units constantly and adding more production buildings.

This will get you to diamond.


Its not quite that simple. You can't get to diamond on one base macro alone.
StrategyRTS forever | @ZeromuS_plays | www.twitch.tv/Zeromus_
Asmodeusx
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
286 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-28 18:28:25
October 28 2012 18:19 GMT
#7216
On October 29 2012 03:01 ZeromuS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2012 00:31 Asmodeusx wrote:
On October 28 2012 23:46 Ch0 wrote:
Hi, I'm Protos player in Bronze League that is having hard time in PvT.
I'm pretty new player and I didn't see any other problems than having more minerals and little bit less gas in mid game.
Could someone please inform me what I'm doing wrong?
http://www.mediafire.com/?clic82fl4c9zqs5



If you are in bronze league, and you're new to the game, you should focus purely on making probes, pylons and units. In every matchup, just make 3 gates and make units out of them constantly without stopping your probe production. Check out some guides for general outlines of builds, but focus ONLY on making probes 100% of the time, never getting supply blocked and keeping your money below 500 at all times, by making units constantly and adding more production buildings.

This will get you to diamond.


Its not quite that simple. You can't get to diamond on one base macro alone.


Read the entire post. I suggested checking out guides for builds, and they include expanding.
And yes, it is that simple, many people did it before.
Hermetis Vögelein ist mein Nahm verlahs meine Flügel und werde zahm.
Gumbi
Profile Joined June 2012
Ireland463 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-28 19:58:58
October 28 2012 19:57 GMT
#7217
On October 29 2012 03:19 Asmodeusx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2012 03:01 ZeromuS wrote:
On October 29 2012 00:31 Asmodeusx wrote:
On October 28 2012 23:46 Ch0 wrote:
Hi, I'm Protos player in Bronze League that is having hard time in PvT.
I'm pretty new player and I didn't see any other problems than having more minerals and little bit less gas in mid game.
Could someone please inform me what I'm doing wrong?
http://www.mediafire.com/?clic82fl4c9zqs5



If you are in bronze league, and you're new to the game, you should focus purely on making probes, pylons and units. In every matchup, just make 3 gates and make units out of them constantly without stopping your probe production. Check out some guides for general outlines of builds, but focus ONLY on making probes 100% of the time, never getting supply blocked and keeping your money below 500 at all times, by making units constantly and adding more production buildings.

This will get you to diamond.


Its not quite that simple. You can't get to diamond on one base macro alone.


Read the entire post. I suggested checking out guides for builds, and they include expanding.
And yes, it is that simple, many people did it before.

Absolutely it will. And high Diamond at that.
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
October 28 2012 20:25 GMT
#7218
Best PvT opener to make to to the lategame and defend drops? There are so many openers floating around I'm not sure which to focus on. I like the Creator double forge opener, but it seems vulnerable to midgame pushes.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
Gumbi
Profile Joined June 2012
Ireland463 Posts
October 28 2012 20:27 GMT
#7219
On October 29 2012 05:25 Havik_ wrote:
Best PvT opener to make to to the lategame and defend drops? There are so many openers floating around I'm not sure which to focus on. I like the Creator double forge opener, but it seems vulnerable to midgame pushes.

That's precisely what it's not vulnerable to.
synd
Profile Joined July 2011
Bulgaria586 Posts
October 28 2012 20:30 GMT
#7220
Hello guys. I'm a mid masters player and I've been wondering what could I do better in this situation
Replay http://drop.sc/268697
Short story of what happened: PvT; 2rax conc shells vs expand of 1zealot/2stalkers.
Expand is cancelled by me because I was pretty sure I couldn't defend it with my army so I transition asap into robo from 2gates and add 2more gates.
I was sure that my counter push with 2 immortals, 6 sentries and 7 zealots was the deathblow to him but I failed.
So please guys, analyze this replay if you can and give your thoughts!
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