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[G] Doc's Somewhat Definitive Guide to TvZ - Page 15

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thOr6136
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Slovenia1775 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 09:06:37
October 16 2011 08:34 GMT
#281
Hey is it viable to play 1 rax FE ? I was wondering if you can defend that roach speedling all-in/pressure from 2 bases?

Edit: ok i watched mma vs lucky, mma defended it nicely with 1 bunker and 2nd nearly done.
BONE
Profile Joined August 2010
United States176 Posts
October 17 2011 17:40 GMT
#282
Great post, I used to like to MECH against zerg because it was easy, but this works sooooo much better
Thezzy
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands2117 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-18 15:08:19
October 18 2011 14:30 GMT
#283
Do you have any tips/tricks for microing Marines against mass Banelings?

I went up against a Zerg that went Ling/Baneling/Muta and although I managed to win the game (helps to be on 5 base vs 3 base and having 3/3 upgrades :D) I lost a lot of marines off creep to rolling Banelings.
In closer games/engagements that could've lost me the game.

I usually put the whole army on 1, the marines on 2 and the tanks on 3.
I've been trying to hit 2, stim the Marines, run them back and get the Tanks to shift focus-fire on the Banelings but this turns out to be a lot harder than it looks even.
Ofcourse sometimes I hit 2 instead of 3 when right clicking on the Banelings with painfully hilarious results.

Anything you know about positioning, movement or controls that might help with this?
I can provide the replay if that helps.
Playing Terran is like flying down a MULE drop in a marine suit, firing a Gauss Rifle
The.Doctor
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada333 Posts
October 23 2011 21:52 GMT
#284
Well if you're accidentally clicking the wrong button when trying to micro that just comes down to not practicing it enough really...

That method should work fine just practice, try and scan before attacking in to Z or them attacking in to you as well.
The Boss.
dementrio
Profile Joined November 2010
678 Posts
October 26 2011 01:39 GMT
#285
Doc, what is your opinion on a 1-gas banshee tvz? There are many possible variations obviously, but the idea is that it delays 3rd considerably on most maps.

I remember from my zerg days (playing at a decent level), that I found it a real pita to deal with, since you can't really scout the 1 gas and have to assume cloak.
eXigent.
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Canada2419 Posts
October 26 2011 02:21 GMT
#286
TvZ is my absolute worst matchup, and alot of times I really feel lost when entering the midgame. This guide is such a breath of fresh air for me after feeling borderline helpless in TvZ, and the fact that you continually update it is amazing! TY~
Br3ezy
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States720 Posts
October 26 2011 02:28 GMT
#287
On October 26 2011 10:39 dementrio wrote:
Doc, what is your opinion on a 1-gas banshee tvz? There are many possible variations obviously, but the idea is that it delays 3rd considerably on most maps.

I remember from my zerg days (playing at a decent level), that I found it a real pita to deal with, since you can't really scout the 1 gas and have to assume cloak.

doesn't do much if goign straight up mutas. Instead of taking a fast third, they can just place a macro htach before the third, no harm done
Check out my guide to mechanics http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=319876
The.Doctor
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada333 Posts
October 26 2011 05:26 GMT
#288
On October 26 2011 11:28 Br3ezy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 26 2011 10:39 dementrio wrote:
Doc, what is your opinion on a 1-gas banshee tvz? There are many possible variations obviously, but the idea is that it delays 3rd considerably on most maps.

I remember from my zerg days (playing at a decent level), that I found it a real pita to deal with, since you can't really scout the 1 gas and have to assume cloak.

doesn't do much if goign straight up mutas. Instead of taking a fast third, they can just place a macro htach before the third, no harm done


Yeah I never do this but whenever I do I see Terrans get wrecked when a Z does 44 drone mutas cause now T is going to have to play very passive. Of course you can get thors to stop the ensuing mutas but then you're going to be forced to 2 base for a long time.

You could even spread creep and just get queens there.
The Boss.
JL_GG
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada249 Posts
November 01 2011 16:28 GMT
#289
i like and i am from UT too keke
thesums
Profile Joined December 2010
Taiwan257 Posts
December 29 2011 07:28 GMT
#290
Hmmm does this still hold for plat/gold level these days? Since this post started long ago i am wondering. It does not cover the correct approach vs the 1 base bane/1 base roach...I die to the 1 base roach when it happens qq it is so annoying. Should have seen it coming....but somehow i always fail to get enough defense...
Schwopzi
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands954 Posts
December 29 2011 07:54 GMT
#291
On December 29 2011 16:28 thesums wrote:
Hmmm does this still hold for plat/gold level these days? Since this post started long ago i am wondering. It does not cover the correct approach vs the 1 base bane/1 base roach...I die to the 1 base roach when it happens qq it is so annoying. Should have seen it coming....but somehow i always fail to get enough defense...


Reactor hellion opening, delay 2nd cc for bunker + marauder, pull scvs in time.
Only the dead have seen the end of war
Goku___
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada33 Posts
December 30 2011 04:37 GMT
#292
Is this guide still viable ????
mapleleafs791
Profile Joined September 2010
United States225 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-30 04:41:08
December 30 2011 04:39 GMT
#293
On December 30 2011 13:37 Goku___ wrote:
Is this guide still viable ????


For the most part. Obviously the auto win siege timing on close positions doesnt work anymore [lol] but i have been learning to offrace terran as a masters zerg and this guide is always my go to. its really good unless you are trying to hit a specific build for your style that is not listed. Other wise macro and following his advice will get very well suited.

TLDR: If you need a tvz guide that is this general/overarching then yes it is still valid

So many terrans dont know about tanks on a hotkey and target fireing banes even in diamond. so many diamond terrans dont split well and if can do the 2 of those + macro you are set. As he says if you can target fire splitting is less important and below masters you can do whatever you want if you can macro VERY well so defenitley look at it.
Spor.534 Master Zerg NA
Creager
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1891 Posts
December 30 2011 16:08 GMT
#294
Wow didnt know this has been around here for quite long, will definitely improve my TvZ, so thanks, i'll appreciate the effort you've put into it!
... einmal mit Profis spielen!
Squigly
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom629 Posts
December 30 2011 18:48 GMT
#295
On December 30 2011 13:39 mapleleafs791 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2011 13:37 Goku___ wrote:
Is this guide still viable ????


For the most part. Obviously the auto win siege timing on close positions doesnt work anymore [lol] but i have been learning to offrace terran as a masters zerg and this guide is always my go to. its really good unless you are trying to hit a specific build for your style that is not listed. Other wise macro and following his advice will get very well suited.

TLDR: If you need a tvz guide that is this general/overarching then yes it is still valid

So many terrans dont know about tanks on a hotkey and target fireing banes even in diamond. so many diamond terrans dont split well and if can do the 2 of those + macro you are set. As he says if you can target fire splitting is less important and below masters you can do whatever you want if you can macro VERY well so defenitley look at it.


Doesnt matter how well you can macro, you will never win against a zerg if you only a move unless you play mech.
mapleleafs791
Profile Joined September 2010
United States225 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-30 19:02:48
December 30 2011 18:59 GMT
#296
On December 31 2011 03:48 Squigly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 30 2011 13:39 mapleleafs791 wrote:
On December 30 2011 13:37 Goku___ wrote:
Is this guide still viable ????


For the most part. Obviously the auto win siege timing on close positions doesnt work anymore [lol] but i have been learning to offrace terran as a masters zerg and this guide is always my go to. its really good unless you are trying to hit a specific build for your style that is not listed. Other wise macro and following his advice will get very well suited.

TLDR: If you need a tvz guide that is this general/overarching then yes it is still valid

So many terrans dont know about tanks on a hotkey and target fireing banes even in diamond. so many diamond terrans dont split well and if can do the 2 of those + macro you are set. As he says if you can target fire splitting is less important and below masters you can do whatever you want if you can macro VERY well so defenitley look at it.


Doesnt matter how well you can macro, you will never win against a zerg if you only a move unless you play mech.


When did i say dont micro? is target fireing banes with tanks not micro? did i say not to split? am i giving advice to gms with my statement? i NEVER said a move...

target fire banes and splitting + macroing well is somehow improper advice sub masters then idk.

and to my point. what is easier for a sub master or sub diamond player, Splitting vs 10 clumped banelings or shift right clicking them with tanks and watching them evaporate with no need to split? you tell me
Spor.534 Master Zerg NA
amostan
Profile Joined December 2011
Singapore48 Posts
February 01 2012 04:23 GMT
#297
Like a boss. Although some content may be outdated in today's meta game, this guide is still GOLD!
OoFuzer
Profile Joined July 2008
Chile436 Posts
February 08 2012 16:25 GMT
#298
what data here is outdated? I started playing this week, and dunno all the changes that the games has had.
DoctorFunk
Profile Joined September 2011
160 Posts
February 08 2012 18:08 GMT
#299
Nothing's really outdated. It's just a bit heavy on the 2rax. Unless you have a sick 2rax, I'd stick with something long the lines of reactored hellions for the most part,
awakenx
Profile Joined May 2011
United States341 Posts
February 08 2012 21:44 GMT
#300
Yeah, most of the BO's are outdated, as all the transition BOs are followups to a 2rax.
So just go reactor hellion. Everything else is relevant to the current patch.
WorstMicroNA
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