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I've experimented with adding an extra nexus in my main after taking my natural in order to saturate on probes quicker and have additional chrono boost. My idea was to use the extra chronoboost to get a really quick +1 attack and charge or blink. There were 2 main issues I ran into. The first was the obviously vulnerability to an early attack. The other was that if there was any early harrasment or pressure it seemed to throw off the timing quite a bit which somewhat defeated the purpose of having the extra chrono boost. I'm sure there are amazing timings out there which could be exploited but I see it as being very thin.
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This simply relies on lack of scouting of your opponent. Any post which can be answered with the word no shouldnt be posted.
However i do thoroughly enjoy watching you win with it  If it works for you keep with it i guess. Gl.
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Seems like any proper early aggression would do a lot of damage to this build. It could work, but I dont think it could for any large percentage of the time.
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sure i would love to play/test this new strat with you, i'm at work though I'll have to play when I get home soon.
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This tactic is just a lol-thought that passed my mind, but after seeing a master-player use it i definitely think i can give my diamond opponents a roll with it.
And as terran uses it to mass marines, maybe protoss can cut back on gas and use it to gain a massive chargelot-push. You just made my analysis-day a little bit more interesting.
Thanks for sharing!
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This is what we call "Economic Cheese". Like most cheeses, it requires lack of scouting to work properly. If you can manage to sneak them and gain the macro advantage from this, then you should be able to win off of that.
Otherwise, scouting and responding with the proper aggression should destroy this. No amount of Nexuses will help you hold off a Thor or Roach/Ling all-in xD
On June 27 2011 22:19 Saracen wrote:
Play me. Saracen 276
And this needs to happen, with VODs and commentary xD
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THinking about it some more, I think it works really good against Terran because Terran players love to hide behind their little bunkers and then usually build an extra OC. This will lure the Terran out of their defensive play to kill your nexus or they will have to deal with your 5x+ nexus vs their 2 OC.
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On June 27 2011 22:21 drolkrad wrote:
sure i would love to play/test this new strat with you, i'm at work though I'll have to play when I get home soon.
o_O
At work, huh? Yep, we all believe you. 
Really though, this seems like it would die to:
-A 4 gate
-Any Terran All-in
-Roach-ling timing
-A similar Terran strategy I have (mass expo style)
-Any non-FE from protoss
-14 gas 14 pool mass speedlings (how are you going to defend nexuses?)
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On June 27 2011 22:26 drolkrad wrote:
THinking about it some more, I think it works really good against Terran because Terran players love to hide behind their little bunkers and then usually build an extra OC. This will lure the Terran out of their defensive play to kill your nexus or they will have to deal with your 5x+ nexus vs their 2 OC.
They see me trollin. they hatin
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On June 27 2011 22:28 TheAwesomeTemplar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 22:21 drolkrad wrote:
sure i would love to play/test this new strat with you, i'm at work though I'll have to play when I get home soon. o_O At work, huh? Yep, we all believe you. Really though, this seems like it would die to: -A 4 gate -Any Terran All-in -Roach-ling timing -A similar Terran strategy I have (mass expo style) -Any non-FE from protoss -14 gas 14 pool mass speedlings (how are you going to defend nexuses?)
obviously it's mostly geared toward PvT...
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On June 27 2011 22:30 drolkrad wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 22:28 TheAwesomeTemplar wrote:On June 27 2011 22:21 drolkrad wrote:
sure i would love to play/test this new strat with you, i'm at work though I'll have to play when I get home soon. o_O At work, huh? Yep, we all believe you. Really though, this seems like it would die to: -A 4 gate -Any Terran All-in -Roach-ling timing -A similar Terran strategy I have (mass expo style) -Any non-FE from protoss -14 gas 14 pool mass speedlings (how are you going to defend nexuses?) obviously it's mostly geared toward PvT...
I mentioned terran.
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Did you even watch the 1st replay? The terran was doing exactly an all in, which is why he failed so miserably. He proxied gated a racks near my base, which left his base more vulnerable than normal, and zealots were able to tear him apart... Then later he was had a big enough of an army to take out my whole base, and he still got overran by the insane economical lead.
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On June 27 2011 22:28 Squigly wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 22:26 drolkrad wrote:
THinking about it some more, I think it works really good against Terran because Terran players love to hide behind their little bunkers and then usually build an extra OC. This will lure the Terran out of their defensive play to kill your nexus or they will have to deal with your 5x+ nexus vs their 2 OC. They see me trollin. they hatin
Bwahahahahaha
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The only real reason it seemed to work in both those games is because you got an early lead from zealot rushing. If you did no damage then their timing would have hit when you had nothing, so you'll just lose.
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http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=218025
In that game, your one Gateway Zealot harass did too much damage. It was 20 Probes vs. 9 SCVs after the Terran held it off.
http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=218011#/replay_overview
Same thing happened here, but seriously, this was a joke game... Your main got destroyed and you pleaded "20 min no rush" while having four hidden expos. Your opponent didn't realise until way later.
http://www.gamereplays.org/starcraft2/replays.php?game=33&show=details&id=218031
This game started with a proxy Gateway.
You won all three games due to a lead at the start or because your opponent wasn't playing seriously. This build focuses on doing damage with the early Gateway and mass expanding behind it. The early Zealot(s) encourages the Terran to turtle while you take the whole map.
Mass expanding is sometimes good when your opponent has an immobile army or when your opponent likes to keep his army together. Also, by making a ton of Gateways (supported by the high income), you can warp in units to quickly fend off any drops. Even if your opponent attacks one base, you have many others and can always expand again. It's a viable strategy but I don't think your replays really show that.
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On June 27 2011 22:38 Penatronic wrote:Show nested quote +On June 27 2011 22:28 Squigly wrote:On June 27 2011 22:26 drolkrad wrote:
THinking about it some more, I think it works really good against Terran because Terran players love to hide behind their little bunkers and then usually build an extra OC. This will lure the Terran out of their defensive play to kill your nexus or they will have to deal with your 5x+ nexus vs their 2 OC. They see me trollin. they hatin Bwahahahahaha
I try to add humour to ridiculous posts XD
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On June 27 2011 22:21 drolkrad wrote:
sure i would love to play/test this new strat with you, i'm at work though I'll have to play when I get home soon.
havent you read the thread abou the "Iam at work" stuff? you should check it out NOW!
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I've tried nexus walls in the late game vs Z, they are stronger and faster to put up than a pylon/2gates and the same cost (EG shakuras, walling the two paths between the 'pocket' third and xelnagas). 20 gates with 7 nexus worth of chrono is fun
Play Saracen, should be fun to watch
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Your "mass Nexus" only paid off due to your Zealot pressure doing way too much damage than it should, and your opponents having pathetic scouting. I play platinum level players that scout better than that...
Sorry, but with the replays posted, and just using any sort of in game logic, this doesn't seem viable at all. You die to just about any early all in.
Example: As a zerg against P, I like to send in my OL around the 6 minute mark. I send it in... and see nothing. I stop drone production and just go kill you.
GG
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the title is pure win.
even though i knew i was getting trolled i had to take a look :o
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Hey,
Could we see the replays against Saracen when they come out?
Also, i feel like you need to fill on your build order a bit more, since theoretically you basically tell the BO user to stay on 1 gate...?
Also, first game.... i didnt watch more than a 1-2 at x8, but it was just the zealots in the beginning that won you the game- nothing more. Quit trolling.
Saracen, can you post a thread or something where we can see all the Best of 3's you play against these build orders?
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its really funny how big of an econ lead you had, 5 bases at 12 min lol!
but you didnt spend any of the chrono boosts from your new nexus' that you highlighted as being a selling point of this build! you could have gotten a gas at one of these expos and easily gotten +1/+1 chronod out extremely quickly.
i have to try this!
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*saw one replay*
You can't actually be serious.....
Your plan is to mass Nexus early on for fast probe production. In the meantime you cut pretty much all gas and resort to zealot rushing and hoping it cripples your opponent so your mass nexus strat works.
Please tell me you're just screwing with us, having a good time trolling. If you are serious I recommend seeing a doctor right away.
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On June 27 2011 22:19 Saracen wrote:
Play me. Saracen 276
Is this challenge falling under the category of...
•If your thread is about a new strategy and you do not have a damn good analysis (with replays) (i.e. I think your thread is too theorycrafty), you can play against me in a BO3 with your strategy. If you lose, you will be BANNED.
??
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Ummm... try chrono boosting after the 6 minute mark?
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Lol if such an "economic cheese" actually works (like this one), then I would love to learn it
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This is merely an extreme (and ultimately a waste of time) version of the phrase "when you are ahead, get more ahead" - the zealot pressure, proxy or not does so much damage in the replays, that you could literally do anything to win the game. Most people might take their natural, build up another force, then re-cripple/finish them off. This guy just decides to add 40 minutes to the game by doing nothing aggressive and making lots of nexuses.
Conclusion: It is not a "build"
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Well those matches were entertaining to say the least... Ozzsad on JTV by the way.
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On June 28 2011 00:21 CrumpetGuvnor wrote:Is this challenge falling under the category of... •If your thread is about a new strategy and you do not have a damn good analysis (with replays) (i.e. I think your thread is too theorycrafty), you can play against me in a BO3 with your strategy. If you lose, you will be BANNED. ??
Obviously, that's why he implemented such a rule.
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OP showed that the strategy is a good followup to proxy
Reason being, chrono helps you catch up on tech
But you need to do a little dmg with the proxy like all rushes, ofc.
OP's mass nexuses worked really well but he didn't actually even utilize them to the fullest, since he bad macro. (So many chronoboosts stored forever, and he was floating 4000 minerals in 1 game).
It also works well because Stim doesn't get out in quite a while, and Stalkers give you map control early so that helps against Mass marines. And if he gets marauders/meds, you should be chronoboosting triple forge upgrades and charge super fast :D
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Whichever way this goes, I'd like to add that this thread made my day.
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Game 1:
I contain him at his natural and start dicking around with PFs and no barracks. I lose. Oops.
Game 2:
I go 2 rax expo, he takes 6 bases, and I kill them.
Game 3:
He decides to proxy gate. I lose to proxy gate.
Game 4:
I lose to proxy gate again.
Game 5:
I actually decide to scout since I've been losing to proxy gate. What do you know, another proxy gate! I beat him with marines.
Then we have an argument about proxy gating since I promised not to abuse his build (no allin marine, no heavy stim timing, no cloak banshees, just 2rax expand every game), and yet he still deems it necessary to abuse mine. Then I played a ZvP and won with mass queens partly because I was pissed about the situation/previous games (sorry about that) and partly because I wanted to show him that if you get a large enough lead early game you can do whatever you want, even if it's not good or viable. Last 3 TvP games had nothing to do with his mass nexus build. Also, I think it's kind of dumb to take your first expo at some randomass location when you can just take it at your nat.
Anyways, thread locked since I didn't actually beat him but he didn't actually show me his strat was any good either since I rolled him in the only legit game we played.
Anyone interested can PM me for the replays.
Also, lesson learned: when playing BoX's against dumb strategies, don't agree to opponent's terms of playing standard every game. Next time I'm going to abuse the hell out of the build.
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