[Q] 14, 15 or 16 Hatch? - Page 3

sc_oldboy

Germany35 Posts

June 10 2011 20:33 GMT

#41

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I go 14 hatch/14 pool if i go hatch first it puts you only ~20 mins behind from the best eco build 14 hatch/15pool

Bkennedy

United States266 Posts

June 10 2011 20:38 GMT

#42

16 hatch is more economic (my question is "why?")
15 hatch is safer (my question is "why?")
14 hatch is safer/gets a better economy later ("what?)

16 hatch more economic than 15 because you get earlier drones, they mine for longer, helping your mid-game econ.

15 hatch is safer than 16 hatch because you get an earlier pool.

14 hatch is safer because you still get an earlier pool, and potentially better economy late-game because you get earlier injects. Making it actually less safe in that instance...

There.

FairForever

Canada2392 Posts

June 10 2011 20:49 GMT

#43

On June 11 2011 05:38 XenocideFTW wrote:

16 hatch is more economic (my question is "why?")
15 hatch is safer (my question is "why?")
14 hatch is safer/gets a better economy later ("what?)

16 hatch more economic than 15 because you get earlier drones, they mine for longer, helping your mid-game econ.

15 hatch is safer than 16 hatch because you get an earlier pool.

14 hatch is safer because you still get an earlier pool, and potentially better economy late-game because you get earlier injects. Making it actually less safe in that instance...

There.

How is 15/15 faster than 16/15? 16/15 gets you an earlier pool because you have that drone that would've built the hatch mining for longer. In 15/15 you have to rebuild one drone before you can place the pool. 15/14 is faster than 16/15 but I assume we're talking about 15 pools.

14/15 is the slowest in terms of getting the pool...

KaiserJohan

Sweden1808 Posts

June 10 2011 20:54 GMT

#44

high masters
I think hatch first against P is just asking to get cannon rushed and loose.

Honestly, I can't think of a way to stop them from going up unless you run around with 4-5 drones at your natural, especially on maps like Shakuras...

I've been doing some 16 pool 15 hatch or 15 pool 15 hatch, but still pylon block screws things up.

darkscream

Canada2310 Posts

June 10 2011 21:13 GMT

#45

On June 10 2011 06:47 mcclurg wrote:

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Why exactly is 14 hatch stupid?

firstly in the games i watch i rarely see pros hatch before 15, regardless of knowing why, just know that idra or nestra probably wouldn't 14 hatch. they would 15 hatch. If you see a high level player do something at a certain time every time, chances are its a golden timing.

14 hatch is "stupid" because you have to cut drones in order to put the hatchery down. You wouldn't have enough money to do it until you had 3 larva, meaning you waste larva and don't get as much income as 15 hatch.

The point of early expanding is to make sure you have a good economy and production, so doing it at 14 is counter intuitive since it hurts your economy by cutting drones - meaning if an early cheese all-in comes before your hatchery finishes, you will be even worse off because a 15hatch zerg would have an extra drone and more money than you will at that point.

I'm sure someone can dream up some strategic/metagame reason to lose that economy and put the hatchery down first, but if you want to be good at starcraft you do things in such a way that all your timings fit with your macro mechanics (ie: "play korean"). If you just build nothing but drones and overlords from the start of the game, you end up with around 300 minerals after you start building your 15th drone, with constant production the entire time. This is the game telling you to expand.

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