[G] Pride BC rush - Page 8

On April 09 2011 15:34 Curu wrote:
To those saying it only works if not scouted: Slush straight up sees the Fusion Core with his Queen and says "..."

Ret also sees the Starport right at the ramp and knows he's 1 basing.

I feel like Hydras would demolish this build, but really, who goes Hydras vs Terran? You could probably transition to blue flame/stim if enough hydras are forced and go win anyways if the Zerg overreacts.

On April 09 2011 21:41 smacky wrote:
is it me or this op making you dislike terran players as much as the race itself?

i dont like your forum etiquette sir, this is a TL thread and you shouldn't suggest to TL members that this is your spot. i get it i get it you made the post and so you are going to zone the damn thing like you are teaching us all something? whatever none of this is particularly exciting and im pretty sure if I... (theorycraft your onebase bullshit allin away)....then you lose and go name a tank marine rush after yourself.

i play zerg. ive read every word of this thread and watched the applicable replays. i even considered playing terran and using this garbage just to avoid the new strat forum ban hammer but i just couldnt brong myself to queue as terran.

i would like to suggest the following: you haven't really come up with anything but a weaker attack than the one you modeled this one after.

correct me if i am wrong but you are bringing in 3 helions a small number of marines and medivac and at some point after that asap you assault with bcs for the bm one base win.

what happened to 6 rine 3 helions and a tank followed up by a banshee? isnt this stronger? i play zerg and ive been with with multple iterations of this early 1-1-1 attack and i have to say that yours isnt creative or unique or game changing or anything....its just weaker and leaves you wide open on numerous occasions.

this little thread actually has created a stir on the ladder and quite a few master terran are trying this...most arent all-in ing themselves ( I assume because even subpar players hate how dirty it makes them feel i really dont know) and so i havent even come close to losing to this yet. BECAUSE the holes were so easy to find when i watched your replays that any competent low/high ranked player isnt really going to have problems with your all in garbage more than a few times and so when non top200 master try it they fail and are confused cause no matter how you play this tech rush you are allin from way in the beginning...basically you lose if you get shut down so NO long term playability.

obviously you have some skill and to beat the players you have you have good tactics but i say the strategy is still shit.


have you guys seen my really awesome one base broodlord BO...its awesome basically you make a million lings and 5 macro hatches...send wave after wave of lings to opponent base and after everything is on fire and his army is dead you send 2 broodlords in for the win...i call it smackys broodlord awesome lightening zeus attack rush. there are 10 transitions off of my one base ling opener:
1: 2 roaches
2 2 hydras
3 1 queen
4 2 corruptors (gosu transition against those annoying terran who fly away)
5 2 brrrrroooodlords (smackys ultra fast awesome zeus attack)
6 2 ultras
7 2 lings
8 2 infestors (no gas for energy upgrade)
9 2 drones
10 go eat snack and wait it out...they'll leave when they see all the spines at my one base



(please dont PM me...ive never gone one base zerg anything)

edit: ironic to anyone else that this kid is trying to name a one base all-in with scvs and battlecruisers a PRIDE bc rush...snicker snicker....show me 3 base bc's owning or shit even 2 base and call that the Pride bc rush...call this one cantmacro bc rush

edit2: i read my own post and wouldve banned myself so here goes an attempt at fixing. I stated in the above that i have had a lot of success against people on the ladder doing just this so here is my suggestion for the proper zergy response and scout timing.
issues to consider from experience EArly overseer against terran usually pays for itself a million fold and so do evo chamber (gogo spore crawler move yo if you unburrow derp)
so: if i dont do ANYTHING different from a completely standard (no BO necessary here) game against a masters terran opponent if i overseer scout and catch it then im using spores and getting extra queens (stopping some injects here to save for transfuse because the unit count from terran will be low anyway) in each of the replays you show opponents who responded rather porrly and who can blame them they arent all knowing but with enough experience against air units that can kill you zergs will get better at picking the right response....the earlier attack with helions and marines...idk man i dont die when people do this to me i hold it off with lings and try my best to not be impacted by the harass imo your entire strategy relies on this part of the game and i will be happy to post replays i dont lose to this and a lot of people i know dont lose to this. surely a good number of people will fold to it but that isnt relevant to the discussion. lets assume you near shred me with the first attack and i barely manage to hold on but i have 2 hatches most of my drones and an evo chamber...the bcs are toast...no zerg BO can possibily show how to frame a correct response to someone with lunatic attack timing and cheesy inentions reactively though i beat this on a regular basis by staying alive in the beginning and lolling at your bcs when my lings slingshot across the map and my spores dps while the queens keep them up

im on a laptop ill post a replay to this thread as soon as possible...saracen maybe you can bo3 this guy and see if we all need to stfu about it

On April 09 2011 23:28 smacky wrote:
personal attacks arent necessary. i believe your logic and reasoning for why this works is badly off and a little time will show that its just another flash in the pan. i'll see you on the ladder if you manage to stay high enough.

i dont think you understand my objection to what you are doing. you've come along out of nowhere with some buildy type thing that isnt really anything more than a well managed all in and used this thread to brag about beating some very good players.

there has been no well thought out responses to anything anyone has said they use to help mitigate the effectiveness of this play and i wonder if it isnt you who are frustrated by the fact that it is you who has shown insignificant reasoning as to why this "strategy" (are we calling this a strategy? really?) is winning you games against top tier players. oddly enough i doubt you even realize why this works and what zerg timings are coming in to play.

strategies get named after people because of either well known play styles (adelscott for instance pretty much just gave everyone a reason to double forge for a few games and we see it and we all say "ah that funny face frenchy bastard....oh well") or because they go and do something so awesome that everyone says "i wanna do that MC fake 3 gate exp thing!!" and h'allah you have a named strategy for a well known play, player, or style.

at some point after most recent roach range change my brother calls me and says dude i got a new roach cheese you need to see...it was a pretty normal roach/ling all in and he went something like 27 games straight wins...we laughed our asses off until the forums filled up with thoughtful discussion because herp derp we werent the only zerg playing roaches since the update and a lot of people went big win streaks. we didnt try to name it after ourselves.

the fact is i'm not a silver league player, i havent really ever been and my game knowledge and experience goes back to beta.

i really do hope i see you on the ladder. im not putting it out there on the internets but im gonna msg you on bnet.

ooooooh and i consider your bc shit to be bm because clearly to follow with this attack you opted out of a slightly weaker (yet stronger attack due to timing) that wouldve finished off opponents just the same...if you position yourself to win and roll through with BCs its not a bc win its a bc bm dipshit

Edit: i do lose a fair amount to both terran and protoss and zerg for that matter but i win just the same and last time i looked i hold my own pretty well. i am far from frustrated over the match ups atm....wait until roach broodlord play get more popular against protoss and infestor hydra against shit like bcs off 2-3 base terran you can switch to zerg and name those strats too bro

On April 09 2011 23:28 smacky wrote:
personal attacks arent necessary. i believe your logic and reasoning for why this works is badly off and a little time will show that its just another flash in the pan. i'll see you on the ladder if you manage to stay high enough.

i dont think you understand my objection to what you are doing. you've come along out of nowhere with some buildy type thing that isnt really anything more than a well managed all in and used this thread to brag about beating some very good players.

there has been no well thought out responses to anything anyone has said they use to help mitigate the effectiveness of this play and i wonder if it isnt you who are frustrated by the fact that it is you who has shown insignificant reasoning as to why this "strategy" (are we calling this a strategy? really?) is winning you games against top tier players. oddly enough i doubt you even realize why this works and what zerg timings are coming in to play.

strategies get named after people because of either well known play styles (adelscott for instance pretty much just gave everyone a reason to double forge for a few games and we see it and we all say "ah that funny face frenchy bastard....oh well") or because they go and do something so awesome that everyone says "i wanna do that MC fake 3 gate exp thing!!" and h'allah you have a named strategy for a well known play, player, or style.

at some point after most recent roach range change my brother calls me and says dude i got a new roach cheese you need to see...it was a pretty normal roach/ling all in and he went something like 27 games straight wins...we laughed our asses off until the forums filled up with thoughtful discussion because herp derp we werent the only zerg playing roaches since the update and a lot of people went big win streaks. we didnt try to name it after ourselves.

the fact is i'm not a silver league player, i havent really ever been and my game knowledge and experience goes back to beta.

i really do hope i see you on the ladder. im not putting it out there on the internets but im gonna msg you on bnet.

ooooooh and i consider your bc shit to be bm because clearly to follow with this attack you opted out of a slightly weaker (yet stronger attack due to timing) that wouldve finished off opponents just the same...if you position yourself to win and roll through with BCs its not a bc win its a bc bm dipshit

Edit: i do lose a fair amount to both terran and protoss and zerg for that matter but i win just the same and last time i looked i hold my own pretty well. i am far from frustrated over the match ups atm....wait until roach broodlord play get more popular against protoss and infestor hydra against shit like bcs off 2-3 base terran you can switch to zerg and name those strats too bro