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[G] How to Improve Efficiently at SC2 1v1 - Page 6

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Yurie
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
12020 Posts
April 04 2011 20:19 GMT
#101
Is there any threads about physical conditioning in order to decrease chance for carpal tunnel and similar conditions? If there are, could you include a link at the end or a short section?

(I feel avoiding those problems is something you should learn as you learn to improve your apm. ^^)
blackone
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany1314 Posts
April 04 2011 20:21 GMT
#102
Holy shit indeed, thank you very much for your contribution! I have only skimmed through the guide as of yet but I'm sure it's gonna help me alot.
andiCR
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2273 Posts
April 04 2011 20:26 GMT
#103
Awesome guide man. Im happy that you used the article i started on 3gate sentry expand Thats me in the screenie!
Nightmare1795 wrote: I played a guy in bronze who said he was Japanese. That was the only game I ever dropped a nuke, which was purely coincidental.
Datum
Profile Joined February 2011
United States371 Posts
April 04 2011 20:31 GMT
#104
Amazing!!! Thanks so much. I just read it once, and I'll be sure to reread each section individually.
DivinO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States4796 Posts
April 04 2011 20:36 GMT
#105
Holy shit. Someone actually wrote a great guide for this.

Wow. Holy shit.

Well done. I'm sorry this post is terrible. But excellent guide overall. Covers all bases. Great for improvement.
LiquipediaBrain in my filth.
mamuto
Profile Joined September 2010
United States88 Posts
April 04 2011 20:37 GMT
#106
On April 05 2011 05:14 CecilSunkure wrote:
I think I played 1500 games, plus more recent custom games as I joined a team I practice a lot with: http://kiwiclonearmy.sadlife.net/


Oh wow. I just passed 400 ladder 1v1s... >.< I think that's a huge factor as well, tbh, just the raw experience you get from playing so much, you get to see all sorts of games, builds, strategies used against you that will make you a better player, far more than any practice of mechanics/macro/micro ever will. Not to say the latter isn't beneficial, but having 1k-2k-3k games played is huge.

In the same token, its always awesome beating someone who more than triples you in the amount of games played. Makes me feel good haha!

Keep it up Cecil, been looking out for your posts, you have some good stuff to say. I'll check out that link too.

Mamuto
1Lamb1Rice
Profile Joined August 2010
United States435 Posts
April 04 2011 20:51 GMT
#107
This threat will bring any hard worker into masters (at least!). Very nice. I'm going to definitely look into inefficiencies of my game now. I know I'm almost using only 5 main hotkeys, but I gotta learn how to incorporate more.
twitch.tv/lambnrice @LambNRice
Loomies
Profile Joined July 2010
United States645 Posts
April 04 2011 20:53 GMT
#108
I seriously just need to overcome the anxiety at some point
unsaid
Profile Joined February 2011
45 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-04 21:00:28
April 04 2011 20:57 GMT
#109
I think you've gotta add something to the mechanics section in the first post!!!

Personally I found it VERY useful that when you click on a unit (both on the map or in the group screen) with CTRL pressed down you chose all of the units of this type around.
It makes right positioning a lot easier, in case with protoss players it's a common mistake to have zealots lagging behind stalkers a bit before important fights in the midgame, which can cost you a game. Just press ctrl-stalkers and move them back every 5-6 seconds.











aaaaaaaah.

also, such a comprehensive article should really have a chapter about capitalizing on the experience you possibly have from other games, such as poker, wc3, cstrike or smth ;].

There must be a reason why 2/3 of european top sc2 players came from wc3. And personally I noticed that learning sc2 was easy, when I just bought the game I could defeat guys with 500+ games having only just played 40-50 games( was already diamond )
knL
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany400 Posts
April 04 2011 21:04 GMT
#110
This will be my lecture for my next train ride. Thanks man
Nemara
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden69 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-04 21:10:56
April 04 2011 21:10 GMT
#111
This thread makes me sad. If you wanna get good at sc2, dont read this wot. Thinking about all the stuff in the op will make the game like work and not fun. For example, if you're going to be thinking "I suck" all the time, you're not going to enjoy yourself at all.

There's a general attitude coming from the TL community that you need to do alot more than just play a shitload of games to get good. That's incorrect, unless you're trying to get high masters (everyone below that, including me, sucks). Otherwise, just have fun with the game, play as games as you have time to / can be arsed to, and you'll improve.

User was warned for this post
SilverJohnny
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States885 Posts
April 04 2011 21:12 GMT
#112
WOWOWOWOW I was just inspired at MLG to start playing a bit more seriously (entered a local tourney, and I want to move up from plat into at least diamond but hopefully masters) and what do I see but the perfect guide on how to do it! awesome, thanks so much, I will be reading this throughly for sure!
also i think you should be able to combine like 5 archons to make a really really shitty oliver stone film - Keanu_Reaver, bw balance genius
CecilSunkure
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2829 Posts
April 04 2011 21:16 GMT
#113
On April 05 2011 06:10 Nemara wrote:
This thread makes me sad. If you wanna get good at sc2, dont read this wot. Thinking about all the stuff in the op will make the game like work and not fun. For example, if you're going to be thinking "I suck" all the time, you're not going to enjoy yourself at all.

There's a general attitude coming from the TL community that you need to do alot more than just play a shitload of games to get good. That's incorrect, unless you're trying to get high masters (everyone below that, including me, sucks). Otherwise, just have fun with the game, play as games as you have time to / can be arsed to, and you'll improve.

The thread is titled How to Get Good Efficiently. Efficiently. You don't have to play to get better, and if you want to play to just have fun, then why would you play to get better efficiently? Furthermore:
On April 03 2011 13:13 CecilSunkure wrote:
You need to be reading this with a willingness to learn and grow. Your goal should be to grow. The thing about growing is that it often times hurts. In order for you to become something new, you have to press outside of your current boundaries until you become used to your uncomfortable state, and the new distance you traveled becomes your current boundary once again.

How about you read the first post before critiquing it.
Klaent
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden374 Posts
April 04 2011 21:18 GMT
#114
Very well written, i learned alot =) Ive been messing around with mouse sens for long time now, never get it right. Im just gonna use the numbers in the guide now and get used to them ^^
Thx alot, nice work.
"On a scale from 1 to Idra, how mad are you right now?" -ROOTDestiny
DibujEx
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Chile130 Posts
April 04 2011 21:18 GMT
#115
it looks good, but there is a way to download this?
;D!
number1gog
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1081 Posts
April 04 2011 21:21 GMT
#116
O _ O

This thread is amazing. Mad props to Cecil.
5sz6sz7sz1a2a3a4a kwanrollllllled
Steel
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Japan2283 Posts
April 04 2011 21:25 GMT
#117
Wow. I read a chunk of it and this is really nice. Thanks a lot! So much work...really awesome thanks!
Try another route paperboy.
Killcycle
Profile Joined January 2011
United States170 Posts
April 04 2011 21:28 GMT
#118
You know how there's supposed to be a one true love for every person?

Mine can wait, I love YOU. haha :D

This is worth reading over several times as I play through the ladder, will very likely become an important reference material for me. You doth rock many socks, ser.
I fear not the shadows of glory nor the echoes of eternity; place before me a true rendition of greatness... and then we shall see.
BobMcJohnson
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
France2916 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-04 21:51:16
April 04 2011 21:28 GMT
#119
God, this guide amazing, mad props to you Cecil, makes me want to practice so hard right now, too bad my computer is broken ahah :D This should seriously be stickied at the top of this forum with the replay analysis guide.

Also when you mention the Newbie Tuesday Day9 dailies at the beginning of the mechanics section, you may want to add the daily #252 ( http://day9tv.blip.tv/file/4712303/ ), which is an "introduction" to those two dailies, and is basically a FP vod of day9 playing versus the AI while showing what are good mechanics and how to improve them.

And once again great job :D
Romanes eunt domus
jmack
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada285 Posts
April 04 2011 21:49 GMT
#120
Great thread man, going to link it to everyone. I feel bad though since it's so much information they probably won't get half way through it, but the ones that do will seriously benefit.

This is a great OP. Thanks.
" (THEY DID IT THEY DID IT FXO DID IT!!! OMG John Lennon Toto destroyer LOLOLOLOLOL) " - Korean Reaction to QXC all killing team IM and destroying safe bets everywhere.
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