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CowWithGun
Sweden18 Posts
I have been tying this build against terran and I love it! It makes TvT fun! But I have one little problem. I am having trubble killing them of. You can't attack them if use static defence. I realise that I make many misstakes but I did feal that I was in the lead a long time. What what my BIG error in this game? http://www.speedyshare.com/files/27035963/download/Steppes_of_War.SC2Replay Thanks all! | ||
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shutdown_exploded
United States133 Posts
On February 24 2011 00:33 CowWithGun wrote: . I am having trubble killing them of. You can't attack them if use static defence. you don't have to? expand all over the entire map. once you get about 10 banshees you can lol at turrets. but if it's like steps of war and they ring their base with turrets and refuse to leave, get double air upgrades and and yamato cannon. | ||
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Tyrannon
Germany113 Posts
if the Hellionplayer is a-moving, you MIGHT be right! BUT if the Hellionplayer is mikroing as well, he´ll move to pointblankrange. Range = 0 No way in Hell, a Marine can run out of that Blue Flame. Do you know that the flamerange=6? | ||
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ToastieNL
Netherlands845 Posts
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ROFL_copter
United States1 Post
On a nitpicky note, you should work on the build order: 2nd refinery -> 2 factories -> tech lab on rax As for the big picture, I think it all went downhill for you when you became passive and switched to thors for some reason. You were doing great and had the game won @ 15:00 when you killed his entire army. All you had to do was attack with a couple hellions and you would have killed all his scvs and the few marines that were popping out. You could have attacked with your 1 thor and won, but you sat back allowed him to rebuild and gain air superiority with more vikings and BC's than you. On a fundamentals note, you should work on keeping constant scv/depot production. "Probes and Pylons" as Day[9] would say. | ||
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CowWithGun
Sweden18 Posts
Yeah I usually play better. I picked this replay because I've had some trubble with finnishing them of. | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25560 Posts
On February 24 2011 01:27 Tyrannon wrote: Do you know that the flamerange=6? On February 24 2011 01:28 ToastieNL wrote: Hellion attack range is 5; Splash range is 6 The hellion does have slightly more range than it has attack range, but it does not have a total range of 6. It has a total splash range of 5.15. From Liquipedia's  Hellion entry:Despite being able to activate its weapon within a range of 5, the Hellion will deal AoE damage up to a range of 5.15. The flamethrower's stream is about 0.15 wide. Still, hellions are fast enough and deal enough damage that they should be able to deal with marines fairly effectively. | ||
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GuYuTe-
United States550 Posts
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nyczbrandon
United States124 Posts
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Senorcuidado
United States700 Posts
 It's totally different from the style of Terran that I'm used to but whenever I lose it never feels like a build order loss, it just feels like I should have done several different things better. It definitely feels like ZvT, you contain them and hurt their economy, beware the death push, expand more and win with air control and attrition or break them with t3 units. Very fun :D | ||
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Sar
United States30 Posts
Now if only people could do it right and not suicide everything they have into my turrets and tanks. I generally do a two base turtle into a slow tank/rine/viking push whenever I see this coming, because few people ever really deviate from the Helion/Banshee BO and don't really get a good expansion up in time to match production. I'm thinking of just thoring it one of these times to really beat it fast. Rarely play anybody good enough to pull this build off, which means more wins for me. Really helped me in the TvT department. Diamond, here I come. | ||
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EnsisRaizo
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VieuxSinge
France231 Posts
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FinestHour
United States18466 Posts
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
Pretend you're playing against a Zerg that is playing muta/ling/bling. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On February 26 2011 07:20 FallDownMarigold wrote: So, to succeed against this build: Pretend you're playing against a Zerg that is playing muta/ling/bling. Basically, but you should also assume that said zerg's mutalisks kill things about 5 times as fast. | ||
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lorkac
United States2297 Posts
On February 26 2011 09:19 Whitewing wrote: Basically, but you should also assume that said zerg's mutalisks kill things about 5 times as fast. the banelings also don't die automatically. | ||
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iEchoic
United States1776 Posts
The stim build time nerf is also another significant buff to the build as it slows down marauder or 3rax stim timing pushes. Overall verdict is that the next patch should strengthen the build significantly. | ||
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valheru
Australia966 Posts
20 seconds is a long time and BC speed went up by about 30% 1.4 to 1.8. This build is going to be alot stronger next patch in the early and late game. Grats on the GSL games btw. | ||
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orKisT
2 Posts
Proxy Banshee Cloak Rush This is my standard tvt opener. The key to the proxy port is obviously location, and, there are certain spots on the map where you can always get away with a proxy port. I consider it safe enough that I do a proxy every single game. TVT is by far my best matchup. One detail to my proxy port strategy is that I include a very early tech lab on my factory at my main so that a scan would make it appear as if I am rushing tank, when really, I am rushing banshee with a port very close to his main. Anyways, I have found that people that go Echoics build do not build Towers. Thus, if you can survive the initial hellion harass, you generally have map control with your banshees until the Raven comes out. During this time, I have been able inflict great damage on my opponents economy. After the initial two banshees, I throw up more Starports and just start massing Tank-Viking. To counter the hellions, I have been working on walling off my mineral line and placing a tank in my mineral line. In any event, I just wanted to say that I win the great majority of my TVTs performing this opening, including against Echoic's new build! Cloaked banshee FTW, business as usual for humanity. (first TL post! so be nice!) | ||
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