Damn, this would've been helpful if I remembered it. I FE-ed and had an obviously bigger army because it was cross positions (he FE-ed, too, and was trying to put on pressure with stim) so there were slow reinforcements in the contrary with my instant warp-in.

It was on metalopolis middle right. My zealots were at the bottom of the ramp, and my stalkers were in front of the bottom of the nexus. He simply flanked with his marines and marauders (using stim) right against my ranged units, which allowed him to kill all of it and finish off my zealots. If I only I was in an arc and had my melee units in the front. xD

I actually been noticing that my losses are coming from being "out-of-position", so this is really helpful. Thanks.

TimeSpiral

United States1010 Posts

March 11 2011 03:34 GMT

#62

On March 11 2011 07:28 Saracen wrote:

Show nested quote +

I can change it for you. What would you like it to be called?

Great thread by the way. Very useful for newer players.

I was thinking "[G] Positioning, Formations, and Tactics"

What do you guys think about that?

And also, for the Liquipedia Article, should I edit the similar/existing article or create a new one?

kNightLite

United States408 Posts

March 11 2011 04:03 GMT

#63

Yeah honestly I think you should totally replace the existing liquipedia article with the OP.

I also think It would be great if you added some more sections to make it more SC2 specific. For example,

-Muta stacking
-Marine splitting
-Magic boxing
-Siege lines and the "vision advantage"
-Scouting patterns
-Simcity
-How to transition between formations
-How to practice formations/multitasking
etc

rathe

United States109 Posts

March 11 2011 04:28 GMT

#64

This is great!

Could you add tips for mechanics on how to execute the maneuvers to each formation? For example, optimal hotkey setups?

Thoramas

Singapore152 Posts

March 11 2011 04:34 GMT

#65

wow awesome post with nice images

ShamTao

United States419 Posts

March 11 2011 04:39 GMT

#66

Awesome post! Thanks for taking the time for baller stuff like this.

FortuneSyn

1826 Posts

March 11 2011 04:43 GMT

#67

Oh my. This is such an awesome post. Thanks man!

LanTAs

United States1091 Posts

March 11 2011 04:52 GMT

#68

Oh dude, totaly deserves the bump! great read and explanation on sc2 tactics and weaknesses of arcs thx!

TimeSpiral

United States1010 Posts

March 11 2011 05:22 GMT

#69

On March 11 2011 13:03 kNightLite wrote:
Yeah honestly I think you should totally replace the existing liquipedia article with the OP.

I also think It would be great if you added some more sections to make it more SC2 specific. For example,

-Muta stacking
-Marine splitting
-Magic boxing
-Siege lines and the "vision advantage"
-Scouting patterns
-Simcity
-How to transition between formations
-How to practice formations/multitasking
etc

You know, making it more SC2 specific is a decent idea.

Maybe I will toy around with that.

Killcycle

United States170 Posts

March 12 2011 20:53 GMT

#70

Beautiful. Adding in more detail as to the construction / defeat of the formations would be great, but this is awesome as it stands; excellent visuals, clear, concise descriptions, and probably most importantly...

PRETTY COLORS!

O.Golden_ne

Australia204 Posts

March 24 2011 00:47 GMT

#71

On January 27 2011 06:58 TimeSpiral wrote:
Is this something you guys think the community would consider useful enough to have in that type of directory?

Liquipedia it!

Dude.

United States94 Posts

March 24 2011 05:07 GMT

#72

Wow, this is such an amazing post. Thank you so much man! =D You've brought a lot of interesting thoughts out of the fog for me.

TimeSpiral

United States1010 Posts

March 24 2011 18:50 GMT

#73

On March 24 2011 09:47 O.Golden_ne wrote:

Show nested quote +

Liquipedia it!

You guys have convinced me. I'm doing it. And it will be new and improved!

ztoa03

Philippines181 Posts

April 05 2011 14:45 GMT

#74

woah!! this is awesome... + points for the illustrations... this really helps visualize the theories in positioning, formations, etc...

TimeSpiral

United States1010 Posts

April 05 2011 15:36 GMT

#75

On April 05 2011 23:45 ztoa03 wrote:
woah!! this is awesome... + points for the illustrations... this really helps visualize the theories in positioning, formations, etc...

Thanks!

I chose generic illustrations because screenshots would necessarily be biased to the race/units/maps/locales used. The symbolic illustrations are much easier for one to naturally impress upon relative scenarios.

aidnai

United States1159 Posts

April 05 2011 21:22 GMT

#76

yeah, got linked here from the spotlighted thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=207275

Have to say, very nice thread, makes it simple. And yes, i think LP would be a great home for it.

TimeSpiral

United States1010 Posts

April 06 2011 00:37 GMT

#77

On April 06 2011 06:22 aidnai wrote:
yeah, got linked here from the spotlighted thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=207275

Have to say, very nice thread, makes it simple. And yes, i think LP would be a great home for it.

Oh, wow. That's pretty cool. I looked over that thread and did not see a link to this one though :/

Did I miss it?

There are more good guides popping up every day.

iChau

United States1210 Posts

April 06 2011 00:58 GMT

#78

How much of an extra advantage would you get if you have a pure zealot, a couple of sentries, and 2-3 colossi and you attack in these situations:

a) You just flank with your whole army from behind (he has 5-6 siege tanks, and 2 bunkers).

b) You half half and attack from 2 sides.

Obviously, b is better, but I just wanna check for both options, how much of an advantage do I get from those?

TimeSpiral

United States1010 Posts

April 06 2011 04:33 GMT

#79

On April 06 2011 09:58 iChau wrote:
How much of an extra advantage would you get if you have a pure zealot, a couple of sentries, and 2-3 colossi and you attack in these situations:

a) You just flank with your whole army from behind (he has 5-6 siege tanks, and 2 bunkers).

b) You half half and attack from 2 sides.

Obviously, b is better, but I just wanna check for both options, how much of an advantage do I get from those?

I'm not sure how to quantify the advantage, to address your question of "how much" specifically. But you also need to keep in mind that there is no real "back" to a unit in Starcraft 2 because all units are aware and have vision in a 360 radius. There is only a "back" to a formation that is oriented in a specific direction.

Option (b), the pincer, is far superior in this scenario. You are ...

(1) Reducing his ability to maneuver by closing from two angles.

(2) Dispersing the Siege Tank fire in multiple directions instead of focusing the splash on one big ball of units

(3) You achieve the "full surround" about twice as fast as you would with a full frontal charge (even if it is from the "back").

(4) You create the psychological impact on your opponent of being surrounded. This can cause him to scramble and fumble at the controls.

Hope this helps.