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ilax30
720 Posts
On October 25 2020 16:11 Whatson wrote: What's your favorite TvP cheese. I'm so sick of trying to make macro builds work in this matchup. One base gimmicks are barely used at the pro level after the nuclear battery got added for protoss. But NA GM Dolan uploaded a interesting thor 1 base all in which is kinda cool. | ||
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ytherik
199 Posts
Both options for a 3rd seem super bad, because there is not enough time to destroy the rocks before their first push. Once they siege up I can't engage head on into the chokes and it seems so hard to setup a good flank there, because I basically have to run around half of the map to get behind their army which gives them a big window to push into the other half. I never ever vetoed maps when laddering, but I feel like this will become my first veto soon | ||
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redloser
Korea (South)1736 Posts
The problem is, with the usual macro build + mass queens(you need 9+ queens and spores to defend the first 2 carriers), corruptors are rly late so you just have to let P go as greedy as he wants. After that, you have to go for 200vs200 deathball fight, but then P seems to be always a bit ahead since he started to build the lategame comp way earlier than you do. I know a blind 2 base queen rush can wreck this build, but there is no way to know if he does that so i wouldnt count that as a solution. Please let me know if anybody knows the right solution to this P build. | ||
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dUTtrOACh
Canada2339 Posts
On November 10 2020 23:20 redloser wrote: How do you deal w/ P rushing carriers right after 1-2 void rays? Apart rom a blind 2 base queen rush, it seems i cannot just win against this build. The problem is, with the usual macro build + mass queens(you need 9+ queens and spores to defend the first 2 carriers), corruptors are rly late so you just have to let P go as greedy as he wants. After that, you have to go for 200vs200 deathball fight, but then P seems to be always a bit ahead since he started to build the lategame comp way earlier than you do. I know a blind 2 base queen rush can wreck this build, but there is no way to know if he does that so i wouldnt count that as a solution. Please let me know if anybody knows the right solution to this P build. By any chance do you have a link to a replay? The quality of advice you hope to receive may depend on your providing some context. How greedy exactly you have to let Protoss be depends on your ability to identify and exploit weaknesses in their defense. Do you want a strategy that allows you to punish a specific build at a certain timing, or generally good long-term advice for helping you build an end-game composition? Here's my worthless advice: + Show Spoiler + AFAIK, the general weakness of stargate play is to exploit the lack of ground support, splash, detection or in the case of carriers, production speed and overall expense as well. IMO getting and maintaining a large economy (say 90 drones) would allow you to overwhelm them where they're weak to weaken their economy until you can have a critical mass to wipe the armada and never give P new bases past a point. Having to overmake queens and spores is the side-effect, (until you can pump out the death wave of corruptors) and while it may not feel like much fun, it'll hopefully keep you alive. If you simply never attack them because you can't kill the carriers, you'll never damage their economy or ability to exploit areas and resources on the map and they will hit their perfect probe count and saturation, or reach a Zerg-like state of overgrowth. Sacrifices must be made in the form of whatever can get in and do big damage (banelings mostly). | ||
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DarkGamer
Germany323 Posts
though here i go: How do i click in the fog of war of a protoss building which isnt done, to identify it? I know pros click on it to see the size of the building. | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1306 Posts
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ArtyK
France3143 Posts
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/tGA7pBU.jpg) | ||
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MJG
United Kingdom1306 Posts
Does this help with identifying the building structure? | ||
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DarkGamer
Germany323 Posts
Thx! This is what i was looking for!  | ||
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DarkGamer
Germany323 Posts
On February 05 2021 20:21 MJG wrote: I did not know that. Does this help with identifying the building structure? Yes it does, cuz Stargate is bigger then Twilight Council and this is what im looking for often. | ||
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ytherik
199 Posts
On February 06 2021 05:32 DarkGamer wrote: Yes it does, cuz Stargate is bigger then Twilight Council and this is what im looking for often. The game shows you the message with the building name after you ping click it. No need for any size comparisons. | ||
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ArtyK
France3143 Posts
On February 06 2021 09:36 ytherik wrote: The game shows you the message with the building name after you ping click it. No need for any size comparisons. It only shows the name if the building is finished | ||
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angry_maia
327 Posts
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RaiZ
2813 Posts
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AbouSV
Germany1278 Posts
However, as RaiZ mentioned, F1 to F4 will very often be enough in any case. If it is that much of a trouble for you (especially if you're T or P), getting good at clicking the minimap can be a solid work around. Just find what works best for you, and what people use camera hotkeys for, so you find your (or steal others) way to do the same. | ||
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Obamarauder
697 Posts
Edit: seems like restarting fixed it. Apparently this happens if u have sc2 application open for 6 days straight lol | ||
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shin ken
Germany612 Posts
Normally I would ctrl click them in selection window or doubleclick them when I see them. But sometimes you don't see them either on the map or in the selection (because the group is too big). | ||
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AbouSV
Germany1278 Posts
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watchlulu
Germany475 Posts
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ArtyK
France3143 Posts
On April 04 2021 17:13 watchlulu wrote: Can you recall stasis-trapped units? My guess is no, but I'm not quite sure Nope | ||
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