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Mavvie
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Canada923 Posts
January 01 2013 06:02 GMT
#14621
On January 01 2013 14:59 Gyro_SC2 wrote:
Hi, I would like to know if we have statistic on tvz mech or biotank ? I woudl like to know which one is the most use in diamond, master and Gm league.

thank

There's no official stats anywhere, but from my knowledge I'd say ~75% of games are biotank and ~25% are pure mech.

From my mid masters perspective, nearly every game is biotank. However, for a month or two everybody went mech (I think MVP won something with mech I guess).

Either way is viable, but if you want to improve mechanics definitely go bio/tank. The drops combined with microing the frontal attack is extremely demanding, and if you do it right you'll definitely get better quicker.
Getting back into sc2 O_o
Skhatok
Profile Joined January 2013
France6 Posts
January 01 2013 16:30 GMT
#14622
Hi,

I'm currently trying to work on my PvT, and chose the SaSe's 1 Gate FE into 3 gate push, that can be found on liquipedia there : http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/SaSe's_1_Gate_FE_Into_3_Gate_Pressure_(vs._Terran) and that was the subjet of a Day9 daily there : http://blip.tv/day9tv/day-9-daily-468-p1-huk-and-sase-fantastic-pvt-openings-6162409.

My question is the following : how can we deal with reaper opener ? I mean, Day9 tells us it is absolutely safe against every timing (double rax/hellion/1-1-1) and the scout with the 2 first zealots is enough, but this build is actually total gamble, because you don't have minerals to send 1 probe to scout for reaper, so do you think I should send an early probe to check, and delay the push, or is there any way to hold a reaper opener when you see it only when your roaming zealot or a sentry is under attack ?

Thank you
Alekatok #665 EU. Diamond Protoss @950 MMR
Najda
Profile Joined June 2010
United States3765 Posts
January 01 2013 17:59 GMT
#14623
On January 02 2013 01:30 Skhatok wrote:
Hi,

I'm currently trying to work on my PvT, and chose the SaSe's 1 Gate FE into 3 gate push, that can be found on liquipedia there : http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/SaSe's_1_Gate_FE_Into_3_Gate_Pressure_(vs._Terran) and that was the subjet of a Day9 daily there : http://blip.tv/day9tv/day-9-daily-468-p1-huk-and-sase-fantastic-pvt-openings-6162409.

My question is the following : how can we deal with reaper opener ? I mean, Day9 tells us it is absolutely safe against every timing (double rax/hellion/1-1-1) and the scout with the 2 first zealots is enough, but this build is actually total gamble, because you don't have minerals to send 1 probe to scout for reaper, so do you think I should send an early probe to check, and delay the push, or is there any way to hold a reaper opener when you see it only when your roaming zealot or a sentry is under attack ?

Thank you


The liquipedia page says to scout with your pylon probe to check their gas as this build is specialized for vs 1 rax fe
Skhatok
Profile Joined January 2013
France6 Posts
January 01 2013 19:08 GMT
#14624
Yes, but it also includes 1 less stalker, and should delay timings pretty significantly, I should try though.
Alekatok #665 EU. Diamond Protoss @950 MMR
probeater
Profile Joined October 2012
124 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-02 21:14:44
January 02 2013 21:06 GMT
#14625
does anyone have a basic BO for what naniwa did against flash at the last mlg (i think) where he proxied robo and pushed with sentries/stalkers and immortals around 8-9 minutes (before stim)
I have a Dark Templar Statue at home.
stuzH
Profile Joined September 2011
United States56 Posts
January 02 2013 22:24 GMT
#14626
Does anyone know why terrans stopped 1/1/1ing protosses in the pro scene? like what are protoss pros (and other protosses) doing differently now that allows them to beat 1/1/1's
AlkemysT
Profile Joined November 2012
Canada7 Posts
January 02 2013 23:52 GMT
#14627
How much do you think the EG-TL players train?
GLHFGG
AlkemysT
Profile Joined November 2012
Canada7 Posts
January 03 2013 00:18 GMT
#14628
does anyone have a basic BO for what naniwa did against flash at the last mlg (i think) where he proxied robo and pushed with sentries/stalkers and immortals around 8-9 minutes (before stim)

That is just a proxy robo 3g bust. BO is:

9 pylon
13 gate (scout)
15 gas
16 pylon
cyber after gate finishes
21 gas
23 proxy pylon somewhere close but won't be scouted
stalker once cyber finishes
robo as soon as u can afford
continuously produce and chrono immortals once robo finishes
add 2 gates when you can afford
warp in only sentries and zealots
push with 2 immortals, a bunch of sentries and zealots and a few stalkers at around 7:40 - 8min. EZ win against any FE build.
GLHFGG
projagrasak
Profile Joined January 2013
Serbia7 Posts
January 03 2013 02:22 GMT
#14629
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HelioSeven
Profile Joined February 2012
United States193 Posts
January 03 2013 03:25 GMT
#14630
On January 03 2013 11:22 projagrasak wrote:
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rd
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2586 Posts
January 03 2013 10:16 GMT
#14631
On January 03 2013 07:24 stuzH wrote:
Does anyone know why terrans stopped 1/1/1ing protosses in the pro scene? like what are protoss pros (and other protosses) doing differently now that allows them to beat 1/1/1's


Protoss expanding quicker, which gives them the necessary economy to hold it; immortal buff; general innovations in build orders, control, timings, and decisions (i.e. the faster expands, controlling towers and aggressively moving out on the map to slow down a 1/1/1, warp prisms); etc. Just not as strong as it was before in this metagame, though that could change if Protoss switch it up again.
darkphantom
Profile Joined November 2012
98 Posts
January 03 2013 16:29 GMT
#14632
what does metagame mean ? examples
From the darkness i come
kaNt-
Profile Joined December 2012
163 Posts
January 03 2013 19:45 GMT
#14633
Where can I get first person VODS of pro gamers (especially Protoss players)?
NervO
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Netherlands511 Posts
January 03 2013 22:31 GMT
#14634
Maybe not right place to ask but what happend to team less pro thread? can't find it anywhere searched for it spitted through the topics here but nothing?
Currently working with Team Acer CSGO | @AcerNervO
TempestMaker
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada37 Posts
January 04 2013 08:33 GMT
#14635
On December 31 2012 08:33 Najda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 28 2012 17:02 SOURD1ESEL wrote:
I'm a Terran in plat. I scouted a zerg he had not expanded and had gass. I smelt fish. I decided to expand on the high ground. I allways 1rax FE into hellion banshee then to marine tank. I re-scouted and he still had not expanded.

What should be done is this situation?loads of bunkers on the high ground? What could this one base play be? could it only be a bainling bust or roaches? what precautions should I make. I have not seen this and am not sure how to react.

It turned out to be a bainling bust. Which I don't know how to defend.

Thank you


Against 1 base play build a thick wall composed of production buildings (no supply depots or barracks!) with a bunker behind it. If you can get hellions out to scout around the map, that's a big plus. If nothing comes for a while, feel free to scan their main since you're way ahead in economy anyway and it's worthwhile to see what he is doing. Bunkers on the ramp behind a wall will stop pretty much anything the zerg can do off of one base.


Quick correction: I think you meant "(no supply depots or bunkers!)", since barracks (along with factories) are some of the best buildings for strong walls.
moofang
Profile Joined June 2011
508 Posts
January 04 2013 08:44 GMT
#14636
On January 04 2013 04:45 kaNt- wrote:
Where can I get first person VODS of pro gamers (especially Protoss players)?


Whitera has a youtube channel: www.youtube.com/user/WhiteRasc, so there's one place.
HelioSeven
Profile Joined February 2012
United States193 Posts
January 04 2013 10:26 GMT
#14637
On January 04 2013 01:29 darkphantom wrote:
what does metagame mean ? examples


Loosely speaking, metagame refers to how people play the game at any particular point in time. More specifically, metagame is usually used to refer to popular metagame, or the builds and playstyles most commonly being used at that point in time. To say that a strategy is "popular in the metagame" merely implies that many different players are utilizing that strategy in their play at this time.

Why this is important is just the ability to predict what your opponent is doing. If you play Protoss like me, and you probe scout a Terran and see 1 rax and no gas taken, that usually means a 1 rax expand nowadays, where as 9 months ago, one would have to strongly consider the possibility of a marine/scv all-in. This is simply because marine/scv all-ins are no longer popular in the metagame, where they once were.

On January 04 2013 17:44 moofang wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2013 04:45 kaNt- wrote:
Where can I get first person VODS of pro gamers (especially Protoss players)?


Whitera has a youtube channel: www.youtube.com/user/WhiteRasc, so there's one place.


Don't know why you linked the youtube channel when the man has his own website... http://www.white-ra.com/

All sorts of replays and FPVODs and other goodies to browse through.
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FancYCaT
Profile Joined October 2012
45 Posts
January 04 2013 11:48 GMT
#14638
at what time the first 1 gate expand observer is usually on the map? (tvp)
leopardb
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany92 Posts
January 04 2013 12:04 GMT
#14639
Is there a way to sort the TL streams to get only the ones displaying WOL (SC2) with zerg players ? i'm trying to understand ZvT in wol, and half of the streams are about LoL/dota2/D3 while having the zerg icon, the other half is HOTS. And some of the Zerg streams actually show WOL but it's nealy only ZvZ or ZvP.
don't worry, be happy
Tzela
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada48 Posts
January 04 2013 18:15 GMT
#14640
is there a way to search within only a specific thread? the search function is giving me results from every thread, but i really want a way to sort through some of the bigger threads easily (the helpme threads in particular). im sure this questions been asked before but due to the the nature of the question, well, yea....
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