I have a huge question.

Can you try to counter the mass tank there is in a TvT with thors?

What I mean by this is instead of going for tanks in a TvT, you just go for thors.

Since they are so heavily armored I think they could be used to counter tanks, but I am not sure, so can anyone help me with this dilemma?

rafaliusz

Poland482 Posts

January 08 2011 23:34 GMT

Generally thors obviously beat tanks but everything depends on situations. You don't usually see pure tanks in TvT (and any other match-up).

Millitron

United States2611 Posts

January 08 2011 23:34 GMT

Tanks do bonus damage to armored, which thors are. Thors also build very slowly compared to tanks.

I've seen thors beat tanks, (see the Boxer vs Jinro replay pack) but I think that tanks will win more times than they lose. Tanks also are better against other things you might see in TvT, like mass bio, and hellion harass.

Figgy20000

Canada28 Posts

January 08 2011 23:35 GMT

They are fine against tanks in small numbers.

In large numbers they get demolished. Also they are useless in trying to contain or hold map control compared to tanks in TvT and they get owned by marauders which tanks don't have as much trouble with because of the 13 range.

carloselcoco

United States2302 Posts

January 08 2011 23:37 GMT

OK, thanks guys. So the situation is more like I can get thors, just make sure to have tanks too, right?

saltygrapes

181 Posts

January 08 2011 23:43 GMT

On January 09 2011 08:37 carloselcoco wrote:
OK, thanks guys. So the situation is more like I can get thors, just make sure to have tanks too, right?

yes. adding some thors to soak up tank damage is definitely a plus. would give you time to split your bio appropriately to deal with tanks and allow your own tanks to siege.

i don't think thors are worth it unless the opponent has way more tanks than you but far less bio/air. they're really slow and they don't contribute much else.

iAmJeffReY

United States4262 Posts

January 08 2011 23:45 GMT

Thor drop a tank heavy player, who goes tank marine, is a very effective open. With half decent micro you can pick out 2-3 tanks and float and run. The main target is the tanks.

Then expo, and transition to marine tank marauder etc. It's a easy expo when ya harass with the thor well.

kNightLite

United States408 Posts

January 09 2011 00:12 GMT

I'm only silver, but I've found that Thors can work if you pop a scan and use it queue up 250mm cannons on the Tanks. Each Thor can survive 6 siege shots.

That only works if your opponent went pure Tank/Viking though. If your opponent has any bio, they simply massacre your Thors before you can respond with your own bio.

You also need to make sure that you're not trading Thors for Tanks 1:1. The tanks produce 15 seconds faster than the Thors...I think the Thor's crazy long build time is the main reason mass repaired Thor doesn't work in TvT.

AllNight

Netherlands86 Posts

January 09 2011 00:20 GMT

Bio works well vs. thors indeed

Alaric

France45622 Posts

January 09 2011 00:22 GMT

#10

Thors soak up damages well enough so that a marauders/thors mix can really demolish a tank line/position, granted you can spread out your army before you engage.
But it's quite slow (and extremely expensive) to build up, particularly on two bases, so I'm not sure if it's something you can aim at from the start. I found it quite superior to air compositions, and armor upgrades really do well against the marines who will supplement the tanks (possibily vikings) mix.

heyyouyesyou

United States323 Posts

January 09 2011 00:29 GMT

#11

Thor/marauder/cloaked banshee does fairly well against 1-2 Fact mass tank build.
I like to open with marine, hellion, and medivac first, expand, and then add on extra raxes and an armory.
Use banshees to punish tank lines and when they unsiege push with thor/maruader/scv.
You can add on an extra Factories and get tanks in addition instead of marauders if your opponent is going pure marine/tank.

Yello

Germany7411 Posts

January 09 2011 00:34 GMT

#12

Thors are good in TvT, if you want to stop the opponents vikings. I tried that several times, and 1-2 Thors deal huge damage to a cloud of vikings. The soaking of tank damage really only works against tanks in small numbers, in the mid- to lategame thors can't tank much.
Also thors are good for early pushes. If you push with one or two thors, a couple marines and a couple scvs to repair, you can deal huge damage and it's easy to transition out of that, you can easily start the usual tank production and you can upgrade your mech.

HardCorey

United States709 Posts

January 09 2011 00:38 GMT

#13

Thors always feel weak to me in TvT... they move fairly slowly so getting up and actually being able to hit the tanks can be difficult especially when trying to do a big bust..

kef

283 Posts

January 09 2011 01:01 GMT

#14

back when i played TvT, mass tanks was what I used to counter mass thors. of course dropping thors on the tanks always works too.

carloselcoco

United States2302 Posts

January 09 2011 01:11 GMT

#15

On January 09 2011 09:20 AllNight wrote:
Bio works well vs. thors indeed

LOL! How did you get to talking about bio versus thors when we were actually talking tanks versus thors? xD

To everyone else: Thanks for the insight in the issue. So the conclusion I can draw from this discussion is simply to use thors cautiously and that it is still better to go mostly tanks, but I can throw some thors in to complement my army.

Black Gun

Germany4482 Posts

January 09 2011 02:25 GMT

#16

it is relevant: marauders roflstomp thors. when i see my opponent go for thors in a tvt, i immediately switch over to tank/marauder and overrun him later on.