[D] *SPOILERS* GSL Discussion of Tank Play - Page 2

On December 08 2010 03:23 QQmonster wrote:
I always do a 'macro mech' style vs protoss, harrassing with preignitor hellions all game long. The key to winning with mech is CONSTANT scouting. If he is going for mass speed zealot/ immortal, then you make thors preemptively and research the strike cannon upgrade to 1shot his immortals while your hellions obliterate zealots.

If he goes stargate, a reactored starport shuts it down pretty easily. What's he going to do, fly into your army and shoot your vikings, or is he going to lift up your tanks? If he lifts up your tanks your gaggle of marines from your 1 or 2 barracks' will shoot them down with the vikings + any turrets you may have, as well as thors. If he has void rays, vikings can just out micro them hard.

The key to beating stargate play is just throwing down a starport as soon as you scout it, and swapping it onto one of your factories reactors. I usually take a starport over an additional factory somewhere around the time I take my third base, just to be safe if I didn't scout a stargate, so I don't get caught with my pants down. From there on out it's just dropping the hammer time on the protoss. Protoss army isnt mobile enough to keep up with hellion harrass, and if he invests in 2-3 cannons at each expo then your army is even stronger than his will be.

If he gets carriers, teching to battle cruisers with yamato cannon is HILARIOUS.

Thors 1shot immortals
BC's 1shot carriers
Tank/hellion rapes gateway units
vikings rape void rays
1-2 rax marine support with the vikings is enough to shut down phoenix lifter play. If you scout phoenixes build a turret by your tanks

Another really good strategy while meching is just to use your buildings SUPER EFFECTIVELY. Walling off the protosses attack lanes is pretty sweet when you have tanks.

The trick to mech is just countering the protosses army composition, and then rolling out like a bad ass to kill his main base.

So yea, you CAN slow push accross the map as long as you've been expanding a lot, because does it matter if you win now when you can win 20 minutes from now with a 200-200 3-3 army?

On December 08 2010 03:49 Sapphire.lux wrote:

I'd like to see a few of your replays please.

I play mech to and in theory what you say is correct, in practice it does not really work that way.

On December 08 2010 00:16 Jombozeus wrote:


My idea of how it may play out is that MC will scout with a stalker, but it will be denied, as the timing isn't right. The first confrontation with the tank will be MC's first push, which will probably consist of gateway units, and he will be shelled by 1 shot of tank and move back. From this point the Terran will be at an advantage because the Protoss had unnecessarily made too many units that are unable to bust the Terran.

The protoss will not proceed to either stargate tech, robo tech, or expand. There will be a timing from a mid-late game for the protoss, that may overrun the terran by outteching or outexpanding. A successful slowpush to expand is needed to catch up before the 200/200 deathball. It is worse off economically than a simple MMM push into expand, but it allows for more options as you are turtled and scouting is much harder for the Protoss.

This is very self-explanatory. But what I am saying is what are the advantages and/or disadvantages or the differences caused by the Korean PvT metagame? Will the tank push be more viable due to the way MC plays P?

On December 08 2010 00:37 Jibba wrote:
It's an interesting idea, but I'm not knowledge enough on T to comment. Hopefully a good T can stop by.

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On December 08 2010 03:54 Everlong wrote:


Download some Goody replays, or Predy from esl.. They experiment with mech a lot.

On December 08 2010 04:07 captainwaffles wrote:
Mech is alright, contrary to popular belief, once you get a critical mass of tanks (supported with Blue hellions and marines) nothing on the ground from- not even immortals- can attack it. The real problem is lack of anti-air. So a gateway army with Immortal/Phenoix support into Voids/Carriers (Carriers, WAY better) late game is pretty deadly against a meching T.

I've been practicing with some 2800~ toss players (allej, Time, etc.) and Its not impossible for Mech against Toss, but it goddamn hard if they respond properly by taking a fast third and using stargate units.

So it really comes down to when to get starports/marines with upgrades to fight the stargate tech. I'm thinking (very general, haven't practiced this yet) getting 3 facts (1 reactor, 2 techlab) and 2 rax (1 techlab (just for upgrades, the amount of anti-ground you're getting makes marauders irrelevant, 1 reactor) and a reactored starport off two base may be the way to push out, take your third behind the push and then throw down more rax and get ghosts as well as another starport.

On December 08 2010 04:38 4Servy wrote:

thats how i played vs socke and other top tosses in the IEM and I practised it vs hasu, thing is you wont be able to compete with carrier/storm its just not effective enough. Problem with mech is that you get in the lategame 9/10 times against protoss and protoss lategame is simply unbeateble. There is no counter to air/templar its that simple, warpin mechanics only make it worse its like a mini recall and you cant push everywere because of it.

On December 08 2010 06:00 Antisocialmunky wrote:


Just a stupid question, what happens if you go BC for Anti-Air(PewPew interceptors, Yamato Carriers) instead of vikings? You have to keep up in air-upgrades for that to work is the immediate thought.