[G] TvZ Griffith's 4OC Pressure Push - Page 27

On December 15 2010 15:50 johanngrunt wrote:
The real strength of this strategy is in team games =)

On December 16 2010 09:58 Conrose wrote:


In 2v2s, it's actually a bit harder to pull off than in 1v1 since both teams could end up hitting you or your partner during the 7-9 minute window, and Ling Bling can be particularly disastrous for you since unlike a 1v1, they can continue the push right after you trade your marines for the zerg's blings through the partner's forces.

Now if you can get away with murder with 3v3 and 4v4 builds, this could be called genocide. It's traditionally very difficult to get a 3rd expansion in these larger matches without cutting into a partner's natural since it only takes one opponent to randomly scout your attempt at an expansion to have it focused down by 2 player's worth of army count. This build can achieve 3 Bases worth of mineral income from only 2 bases and expands with fair ease with the extra OCs, and you can easily boost your gas income by sending out extra SCVs to build refineries at several points and lifting your OC's to the refineries after they are finished building with very put at risk. Your marines safeguard against a lot of the more gimmicky plays that players try in 3v3 and 4v4. And if you are started in one of the more secure locations on a map, you can even cut the 2nd Rax and the first 5 marines in favor of faster CCs if you're partners are particularly talented at the early defense.

On December 16 2010 10:06 ZerG~LegenD wrote:
I'd love to try my wits against this. Are there any 2.5k+ Terrans on the European server who knows how to play this?

On December 17 2010 07:19 TheRealDJ wrote:

The only risk is if the opponents rush you during that window, you won't be able to hold off three armies at once. You'll need to coordinate with the other two people to have a unified defense.

On December 15 2010 12:07 Griffith` wrote:



OK you're just pulling shit out of your ass and using strawman arguments. "Pros are all wrong?" Since when did pros even become part of this argument? You're putting words into my mouth. How can pros be "wrong" when the majority of them haven't even commented on it or tried it out? The ones who have, eg. vVvNGry have had amazing successes with it. How come you completely discredit that?

Seriously man I think you're feeling way overprotective of your "OC Farming" idea. You're just borderline trolling at this point.

On December 17 2010 20:16 ZerG~LegenD wrote:
Had a random run-in with the build when my friend asked me to play his friend. He was only 2.4k but put up a better fight than most 3k+ Terrans I've played. I'm still a ticking timebomb though =)

Replay

Also, I don't think it's wise to play to extremely bio heavy unless you have amazing control. You say so in the OP and yet the bio build is the one I've seen in every replay I've watched with this opening.

On December 18 2010 03:39 cactuschewer wrote:
Someone tried to do this to me once, i sent some lings in after i held off the 2rax to see 4OCs being made, so I just rallied zerglings and banelings in and tried to kill him before he could get an advantage

On December 18 2010 03:37 Conrose wrote:
Yeah, Ling/Bling out of 2 Bases/3 Hatch gets outmacroed by MM Spam out of 7+ Raxes out of 2 Bases/4OC when the Marines have some decent micro behind them. In the replays the Zerg player does well keeping the bioballs out, but is never able to establish map control. The solid wall the Zerg players eventually run into is that they have to expand. Because Map Control is at this point essentially split between the Terran and the Zerg Player, the Terran has an easy time sniping the expansion while the Terran is easily able to salvage an expansion under attack by lifting off the OC they sent and queuing up SCVs to replace those that were lost in the attack. The Zerg has to sacrifice larva that can be spent on units to try to keep their own economy up to snuff. this results in a shift of map control in the Terran's favor at which point you watch the momentum quickly snowball into a very solid push into the natural.

Also note that both of Zerg's T1.5 gas units are countered pretty hard by Terran's T1.5 unit of choice to accompany marines.

On December 18 2010 03:48 TheRealDJ wrote:

Very good points, which forces them to commit to what they usually assume is a stronger combination of zergling/baneling, but never leaves them with enough units to counter attack. And then like you mentioned, forces them to not expand their economy or tech. Without the ability to get to broodlords/ultras, they end up painting themselves into a corner.

On December 18 2010 03:39 cactuschewer wrote:
Someone tried to do this to me once, i sent some lings in after i held off the 2rax to see 4OCs being made, so I just rallied zerglings and banelings in and tried to kill him before he could get an advantage