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stava88
Israel31 Posts
the most reliable way to break it is to build a roach warren straight away and gas, bust the pylon wall with roaches and hope to pressure him with those roaches and do some damage while getting your 3 bases and droning. But this tactic is not fair, everybody knows it except blizzard so you'll end up behind in most cases or be forced to all in. obviosuly vs map hackers (that's their favorite tactic) you simply cannot win unless they play with 1 finger. | ||
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MstrJinbo
United States1251 Posts
On February 18 2013 05:50 veKtory wrote: Really need help ZvP late game in HOTS. Stalker/Colossi/Tempest literally just shreds everything Zerg has. HotS help me thread is here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=378049 I also suggest you include a replay or something. | ||
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nMinhBang
Netherlands98 Posts
So lately my macro has been kind of off, which may have some influence upon this question; How do I beat a Terran having the following unit composition? - Raven - Banshee - Thor - Siege Tank - Hellion (with scv repair support) I'm currently ranked as a top platinum player and I came across this composition against a low-diamond player, I played standard (which IMO is Broodlord/Infestor). I managed to kill off his army a few times with well placed fungals on his cropped up air army, good positioned roaches and neural parasites. (Brood lords had no role as I gave up on them already at this point, as seeing his army absolutely nullified brood lords). Eventually we both didn't have as massive armies anymore, but he had hellions and I had no gas so zerglings were my only option.. I lost the game obviously.  Would it have been a better option to make Ultralisks? The idea only just crossed my mind, because I don't like using ultras, AT ALL. (Due to brainwashing when Destiny still played sc2 - He thinks Ultras are horrible, and thus so do I.) Thanks for checking out my question, and I hope I'll be able to get good advice! :D | ||
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Henk
Netherlands578 Posts
On February 20 2013 03:05 nMinhBang wrote: Hi guys, So lately my macro has been kind of off, which may have some influence upon this question; How do I beat a Terran having the following unit composition? - Raven - Banshee - Thor - Siege Tank - Hellion (with scv repair support) I'm currently ranked as a top platinum player and I came across this composition against a low-diamond player, I played standard (which IMO is Broodlord/Infestor). I managed to kill off his army a few times with well placed fungals on his cropped up air army, good positioned roaches and neural parasites. (Brood lords had no role as I gave up on them already at this point, as seeing his army absolutely nullified brood lords). Eventually we both didn't have as massive armies anymore, but he had hellions and I had no gas so zerglings were my only option.. I lost the game obviously. Would it have been a better option to make Ultralisks? The idea only just crossed my mind, because I don't like using ultras, AT ALL. (Due to brainwashing when Destiny still played sc2 - He thinks Ultras are horrible, and thus so do I.) Thanks for checking out my question, and I hope I'll be able to get good advice! :D Heya, coulkd you upload the replay of the game you were talking about? I'll take a look at it. | ||
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nMinhBang
Netherlands98 Posts
On February 20 2013 06:30 Henk wrote: Heya, coulkd you upload the replay of the game you were talking about? I'll take a look at it. Sure! Here it is, do excuse my noobness :D http://drop.sc/305833 Thanks a lot! | ||
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Henk
Netherlands578 Posts
On February 20 2013 07:33 nMinhBang wrote: Sure! Here it is, do excuse my noobness :D http://drop.sc/305833 Thanks a lot! Cool, I'll look at it tomorrow! Expect reply at about 8-9pm. | ||
DarkSmurf
Argentina11 Posts
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Henk
Netherlands578 Posts
On February 20 2013 07:33 nMinhBang wrote: Sure! Here it is, do excuse my noobness :D http://drop.sc/305833 Thanks a lot! Your early game is, and please don't take offense, worthless. You don't seem to have a build, or any plan on what you're going to go. You barely scouted and didn't know he was going mech until really late. I will suggest you use the 4 queen build, which I'll write the BO for in a moment. Anyway about your game: You scout a 3rd CC, yet you still make lings, but don't attack. Either attack, or make drones. Your 3rd was extremely late. You didn't have an overlord on the ledge near his natural, which you should always have on cloud kingdom. You started hive, but didn't start spire right away. Your 4th was way too late. You supplyblocked yourself in a way that made me sick; you were at 150 supply and had enough money to max right away, but you were supplyblocked. You went broodlords, but had roaches to supplement them instead of corruptors. vs terran, you want 8-10 broodlords, 8-10 infestors, 80 drones, rest of your supply into queens and corruptors. TONS of corruptors. Like, 30+. Add more broodlords if you see he's fighting your BL with a lot of thors. He was at 200 supply with RAVEN+MECH while you had 150 with roaches. Roaches are supply inefficient, and still your supply count is lower than his. And he had 15 CCs, haha. So I just stopped watching at 25:00 because there was nothing to see, really. Staying on roaches = dead. So, BO: 15H16P 2 queens, 2-4 lings 2 more queens 3rd base when your 3rd and 4th queen are at about 50-75%. 5:20 - 2 gas. Ling speed, 1/1, lair. (With first 450 gas, in this order) 2 more gas when lair starts, 2 more gas when lair finishes. I like to drop a RW when I have some minerals at about 6 min or so, to hold off hellions. (You don't have to, but you can.) Poke his base with an overlord at 5-6 minutes to see if he's going for a quick 3rd, and if so, hold down the D button some more. Don't make lings yet. At 8 min send in another overlord to see if he's going mech. If so, +1 roach attack, roach speed, 4th base, make 8 roaches, drone to 80. Use 8 roaches to defend against hellions. Do not take eco damage from hellions/banshees. I then like to pump out roaches while I'm getting drop+ovl speed, and drop his main while teching up to broodlords. I hope this helped a bit. Let me know! | ||
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nMinhBang
Netherlands98 Posts
On February 21 2013 02:44 Henk wrote: Your early game is, and please don't take offense, worthless. You don't seem to have a build, or any plan on what you're going to go. You barely scouted and didn't know he was going mech until really late. I will suggest you use the 4 queen build, which I'll write the BO for in a moment. Anyway about your game: You scout a 3rd CC, yet you still make lings, but don't attack. Either attack, or make drones. Your 3rd was extremely late. You didn't have an overlord on the ledge near his natural, which you should always have on cloud kingdom. You started hive, but didn't start spire right away. Your 4th was way too late. You supplyblocked yourself in a way that made me sick; you were at 150 supply and had enough money to max right away, but you were supplyblocked. You went broodlords, but had roaches to supplement them instead of corruptors. vs terran, you want 8-10 broodlords, 8-10 infestors, 80 drones, rest of your supply into queens and corruptors. TONS of corruptors. Like, 30+. Add more broodlords if you see he's fighting your BL with a lot of thors. He was at 200 supply with RAVEN+MECH while you had 150 with roaches. Roaches are supply inefficient, and still your supply count is lower than his. And he had 15 CCs, haha. So I just stopped watching at 25:00 because there was nothing to see, really. Staying on roaches = dead. So, BO: 15H16P 2 queens, 2-4 lings 2 more queens 3rd base when your 3rd and 4th queen are at about 50-75%. 5:20 - 2 gas. Ling speed, 1/1, lair. (With first 450 gas, in this order) 2 more gas when lair starts, 2 more gas when lair finishes. I like to drop a RW when I have some minerals at about 6 min or so, to hold off hellions. (You don't have to, but you can.) Poke his base with an overlord at 5-6 minutes to see if he's going for a quick 3rd, and if so, hold down the D button some more. Don't make lings yet. At 8 min send in another overlord to see if he's going mech. If so, +1 roach attack, roach speed, 4th base, make 8 roaches, drone to 80. Use 8 roaches to defend against hellions. Do not take eco damage from hellions/banshees. I then like to pump out roaches while I'm getting drop+ovl speed, and drop his main while teching up to broodlords. I hope this helped a bit. Let me know! Hi there! Of course, I didn't take any offense, I know I'm really horrible, and you're right, I don't have much of a build order, I always go 15h 14p 14gas when playing ZvT. And something that I never really had, was a plan, I ALWAYS choose to react as much as I can, which is totally horrible, I know. I feel like your advice about making 8-10 brood lords, around the same amount of infestors and the rest into corruptors and queens is a rational choice, though I'm not really sure if I'd survive with those against ravens, but I guess that just comes down to micro. Learning the build should take a little while for me, and pointers like poking his base at 5-6 mins should be basic stuff, but I'm too dumb to actually know about them, so your pointers are really useful! So to let you know if whether your advice was useful or not, you should be able to tell that it totally was! Thanks heaps! nMinhBang | ||
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Patriots11
Afghanistan4 Posts
Im very new to zerg and just switched from toss; was masters toss, but it got old fast. please dont link builds unless they are up to date thanks | ||
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halldor
Iceland43 Posts
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RaiZ
2813 Posts
On February 21 2013 15:37 Patriots11 wrote: Can someone tell me the BEST up to date build openings and transitions (and maybe some good unit comps) for each match up Im very new to zerg and just switched from toss; was masters toss, but it got old fast. please dont link builds unless they are up to date thanks The builds haven't changed much really. Especially the ZvZ. You can easily look @ every build order, they're almost all viables. It's just the metagames that changes. Right now in ZvZ, lots of zerg like to go p15 h15 or 16 and get either bane if they don't see an expansion, or speed if they do. Then it's pretty much what you scout. ZvT, There's a build order above my post. Check it out. That's almost what all zerg does. Except I don't take a fast third, but that's just personnal preference. And finally ZvP, well... Forget about it. Not worth playing. If you can survive the early-mid game, then props to you. Now you need to micro the infestors/queens/BLs/corruptors and Supply. Good luck with that. Cauz in 2 years I didn't get the chance to train all of this because of the thousands allins the protoss cauz throw at you. Hopefully someone can explain the matchup better than me cauz I simply gave up. Cheer !  | ||
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Lucoda
Ireland183 Posts
Regards, Lucoda. | ||
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CommanderS
Germany53 Posts
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massivez
Belgium653 Posts
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Lucoda
Ireland183 Posts
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Mahtasooma
Germany475 Posts
Because I bind the eggs to the muta group when I produce them, but they obviously wind up getting caught in the middle of the enemy army or stationary defense while I move between bases, but on the other hand I want them to be as quickly to my flock as possible. | ||
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Lucoda
Ireland183 Posts
On February 22 2013 08:12 Mahtasooma wrote: What's the best way to rally newly produced mutas while harrassing? Because I bind the eggs to the muta group when I produce them, but they obviously wind up getting caught in the middle of the enemy army or stationary defense while I move between bases, but on the other hand I want them to be as quickly to my flock as possible. Have a set rally point in a safe location (vP, behind your spine wall. vT behind your ling/bling army, vZ @your base.) Then when you finish your harras, go back and bind them to the control group. You could also have them manually rallied seperatley from your normal army rally point to the air space where you will go after the harras, so you get them faster. | ||
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ThePeacemaker10
Canada3 Posts
Replay 1 - http://drop.sc/306281 Replay 2 - http://drop.sc/306280 Edit - Also current army comps would be amazing too, thanks. | ||
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Lucoda
Ireland183 Posts
Regards, Lucoda. | ||
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