The Zerg Help Me Thread - Page 423

On November 11 2012 13:24 zasg wrote:


One of the main reasons baneling drops became less used against the Protoss ball was that baneling drops used to explode on what they dropped on, however, blizzard changed that so now they drop to the outside of the ball, often missing the sentries etc. Roach drops are still used, not often, especially on maps like entombed valley. I have seen TLO on his stream doing roach baneling drops on a base, however he uses about 8 banes just to drop on the mineral line while dropping roaches on the army, it is quite effective!

On November 11 2012 14:48 Moosegills wrote:

From what I've seen, at least on the NA ladder I'm basically the only one that does baneling drops at GM level anymore

On November 11 2012 10:37 whatevername wrote:
Why are roach/baneling drop builds not used in ZVP anymore? Strengths, weaknesses?

On November 12 2012 01:09 BuiBui wrote:


Mostly because you wont have your upgrades and tech done in time to deal with a master lvl immortel cent all in if you open up Pool hatch hatch.


If you open up 2 base tech expand, you will have the tech in time, But if they just take a third instead of attacking, you will be be very behind, or only slightly behind if you didn't make units.

The style also requires a lot of micro.

On November 11 2012 14:48 Moosegills wrote:

From what I've seen, at least on the NA ladder I'm basically the only one that does baneling drops at GM level anymore

On November 11 2012 17:39 MoonCricket wrote:


Is this change recent, Vortix was using Baneling drops in his ZvP extremely often a few months ago,

On November 12 2012 13:49 Mavvie wrote:
Hey guys, I'm so lost in ZvP. It seems like all the midgame options suck dick if your opponent scouts properly, and plays a safe macro game with simcity. I'll go through the options and the problems I have:

1) Roach/ling max: It's not 2011; this is super all-in, and won't work unless my opponent sucks (and at mid-high masters they don't). Obviously not a viable option.

2) Mutas: It's okay, but if scouted IMO it's not worth it. A few cannons around their base, fast blink, and then they hit a storm timing before your broodlords are out and you lose. I've had decent success with muta/ling/bane all ins (off 5 bases, but I call it "all in" because there's no transition) where I either kill him or I remax and either kill him or lose. I've never had success with only making ~12 mutas and then transitioning, they don't do enough damage and then die too quickly. Am I missing something here about how to execute this effectively?

3) Infestor/roach/ling aggression: I've actually lost every game I do this, except when Protoss is stupid and either skips simcity or pushes out before 14:00. Not sure what to say about this...I drone up really quick, get infestors quick, and attack when I near max with roach/ling/infestor. Here's a standard game: http://drop.sc/274607 it's against HwangSin so I didn't stand a chance, but this is what most games look like anyway (except the 12:00 mothership). What am I missing here? It's obviously an effective style, but I'm clearly not doing it right.

4) Infestor/spine turtle: I can never defend 4 bases with spines, only 3 (at least not without having huge holes). I'm kind of lost on how to play this style, it seems pretty lame. 3 base infestor/blord can't afford 3/3 or double spire, so I would die to a followup stalker/colo/archon push...I don't have a replay of this, sorry, but I can explain what usually happens. I go up to 80 drones, get 6 infestors, and have broodlords ready at 14:00. His push hits as broodlords morph, the spine/infestor keeps me alive. Then, I push his army back, but he has me contained on 3 bases (he's on 3 himself, and he can expand). When I move out to take a fourth, he blinks under me and has 1000 archons and colossi so the broodlords and lings do no damage, and fungal doesn't kill stalkers quickly enough. If I try to prevent a blink, the colossi eat my infestors, and it's just not a good time. Do I have to spine push to take my fourth? Do I need to set up a big runby to delay him more, so my broodlords are up in time to defend my fourth (fifth?)?

Thanks for any advice, I hate feeling lost in a matchup :S

1) Roach/ling max: It's not 2011; this is super all-in, and won't work unless my opponent sucks (and at mid-high masters they don't). Obviously not a viable option.

On November 14 2012 07:50 Hing wrote:
New kid in block, Chargelot, archon, immortal - any ideas what to do against it ? My army of ling roach infestor literally evaporates in 2 seconds. Hits like at 13-14 minutes (off 3 bases).

On November 14 2012 08:06 Turbogangsta wrote:


nueral parasite would work great because he has no splash to stop it. If not that then mass infested terrans behind some roaches should own it. i feel like its either a macro problem or an engagment problem on your part.

edit: to clarify i mean he has no range to stop the nuerals because he wont have collosi. also you should nueral the immortals > archons. But i think mass infested terrans with a few fungals is all you need.

On November 14 2012 07:50 Hing wrote:
New kid in block, Chargelot, archon, immortal - any ideas what to do against it ? My army of ling roach infestor literally evaporates in 2 seconds. Hits like at 13-14 minutes (off 3 bases).

On November 14 2012 04:54 foutre wrote:


I'm a Diamond zerg on my way into Masters (I hope - the MMR Stats plug-in may be lying) and I've been doing the Roach/Ling Max since Bronze. Obviously a big part of the reason it's been working so far is because the Protoss at my level all suck just as much as I do, and either do a 2 base timing that just fails or simcity poorly and die.

However, I realize that at a certain point Protoss will either learn to simcity, learn to FF, or learn to all-in and I'll be awfully dead.

So, in the interest of still winning games, are there any styles that are similar to this, but more viable?

I've been experimenting with researching drops, and then hitting nat/3rd with little drops while doom dropping their main at ~160 supply/12 minutes, but I'm bad and it's bad.

Please help!

On November 14 2012 08:16 syriuszonito wrote:


Need some help with this timing as well, owned my 200/200 roach ling 10infestors ( spammed its with all energy) very hard :D Neutral would be good I guess but its hard to get it this early + thats a lot of energy.

On November 13 2012 01:42 syriuszonito wrote:


Any kind of ground agression vs toss relies on toss making a mistake in defense (bad wall or ffs), thats why I dont like it at all. If you really want to be agressive then muta is an option but agree that if scouted and toss is good at multitasking he will be able to hold it without big loses. This leaves you with option 4) whih is infestor spine turtle and thats what almost every good zergs plays atm. I dont understand why you are not able to defend 4 bases. As soon as you see toss taking his third you should secure your 4th. There is no way of him being aggresive at that time so you can safely saturate your 4 bases and tech hard. The only problem you might face is holding a toss all in from 3 base that hits before you get your broodlords most of the time. It is essential to scout toss composition before he moves out (use either some lings or overseer for that). Against a non colossus push you need as many infestors as possible and no resoures wasted in corruptors that will be useless (obviously if its ht/archon push then rest of the supply should be mostly roaches) if its immo/sentry then lings>roaches). Versus a colossus timing I would not morph broods unless you are sure you can have them before he comes to you, after sniping colossus with corruptors you should easily hold the push and morph the broods after. After you defend his 3 base timing you've basically won the game, just max on bl/infestor/rest and kill him.
If toss decides to play hard macro mode without any pushes then just max on the best possible composition you can get, make spines everywhere before leaving as wp drops can be insanely annying, neutral parasite his mothership and you should win easy :D.