The Zerg Help Me Thread - Page 330

On July 23 2012 19:36 Host- wrote:
Whats the best way to deal with 3 Rax 1 Fact hellion/marine; hitting around 9 mins.
They don't take a 3rd CC with this so its basically a 2 base all in, its the only Terran build that just owns me every single time and it's starting to get frustrating.

Is there a specific point to stop droning? It's hard to scout because an overlord sack wont neccesarily see anything and on most maps I can't really use overlords to spot... T.T

On July 23 2012 15:42 whatevername wrote:
Yeah, if you could get a rep that would be really helpful. Replays are just so much easier to see all the little timings and such.

On July 23 2012 19:36 Host- wrote:
Whats the best way to deal with 3 Rax 1 Fact hellion/marine; hitting around 9 mins.
They don't take a 3rd CC with this so its basically a 2 base all in, its the only Terran build that just owns me every single time and it's starting to get frustrating.

Is there a specific point to stop droning? It's hard to scout because an overlord sack wont neccesarily see anything and on most maps I can't really use overlords to spot... T.T

On July 23 2012 22:26 Cuber wrote:


It's really easy to stop if you play roach style. Just take a fast 3rd and half saturate it. Build a banelings nest and morph 6-7 banelings as the push comes. Roaches on auto atack, micro your banelings into marines and/or hellions, support with lings only When the push comes I have around 50 drones (3 gases, for roaches, few banelings and +1 for lings) and lair under way. high master z here.

On July 23 2012 22:02 GenesisX wrote:


Not in my home country right now and my replays are on my computer, sorry :/

@Belial: Eh, I take all 4 at 40 supply. Just a variation I guess.

On July 24 2012 00:46 rustypipe wrote:
Quick question for all the good zergs out there.

What is the best response to a Protoss going 3 immortal 6-7 gate +1+1 timing push. I see this all the time, spot it, know its coming and still can't stop it. I've tried lots of roach ling off 3 base but I just can't seem to get around all the force fields and the immortals / stalkers with warp in re-inforements are typically just to much.

The only work around I've found to stop this is 2 base base drop timing for 9 min but, this puts a serious dent into the econ if you can't stop the attack / do damage as your still on 2 base vs 2 base afterwards which isn't a good situtation to be in.

So with the typical 3 base expansion in ZvP when you see the FFE and spot the early robo what is the best way to do this. Do I just need to cut drones sooner and build waaay more lings.

The last game I saw this coming I had a 120 over 88 supply lead and his stupid 234234324 centries never ran out of energy by the time all my lings and roach died. I even got a full 360 surround and it was't enough.

On July 24 2012 00:51 Belial88 wrote:


That's why you don't have any drones. That is WAY too much gas. Most pros don't even start their 3rd and 4th gas until 70+ supply, and will start lair before getting that extra gas.

On July 24 2012 12:56 Forikorder wrote:
when you scout a Protoss gateway all-in is there a certain drone count your trying to aim for?

generally when i scout an all-in i just go crazy OMG make units and sometimes i jsut get overwhelmed and not sure if i had too few or too many drones

also is there a point in the game where you jsut stop droning and pool larvae until you know its safe?

sorry if these questions are too vague ><

On July 24 2012 13:24 Maxamix wrote:


Well normally if you macro decently and have been using your larvae you should be at least at 60 supply. Belial's guide inform you that it is way easier to hold an all in with 60+ drones than with less. I was reluctant at first but this is really working. I'd suggest you take a look @ belial's guide to ZvP, he details all the "standard" all-in from the toss

On July 24 2012 12:41 GenesisX wrote:


It's so I can:
get lair
get ling speed
start +1/+1
have an assload of infestors to stop any 10 minute+ push

It's a really greedy style but I can bank a ton of gas for both infestors and broodlords.

when you scout a Protoss gateway all-in is there a certain drone count your trying to aim for?

generally when i scout an all-in i just go crazy OMG make units and sometimes i jsut get overwhelmed and not sure if i had too few or too many drones

also is there a point in the game where you jsut stop droning and pool larvae until you know its safe?

sorry if these questions are too vague ><

It's more like how good is your macro and drone up to a certain timing, rather than a specific point. If you are good, you can have 70 drones, full 3 base saturation, at the 8 minute mark in a real game. But even DRG doesn't do that consistently, so it's unlikely lower level players will (although you might hit it once in a while, good job! ive done it twice on ladder). 8:00-8:30 for 3 hatch vs ffe, for 1 base you want to aim around 25-35 drones (25 for 4 gate, 35 for 4 gate immortal).

60 supply is too low nowadays i think. You should be at least 68 supply i think to be competitive.

On July 24 2012 14:15 Belial88 wrote:


right, i'm sure it's fine, but most pros get 2xgas at 45+, after that round of drones and a third is taken, and they will maybe take a third gas when those 2 geysers finish, but they won't take 4th and more until after 70 supply. You are cutting drones. You will have lair, speed, and 1/1 in time with 2xgas at 45, getting it earlier seems a bit overkill. i dont really know what the point of getting earlier gas would be, it would make more sense if you made only 5 queens or did only 5 queens a 1xgas at ~30 and the 2nd at 60+, but 2x40 seems a bit much.

just imo. i just dont understand why youd take gas so quickly when 2x at 45 is quick enough to stop any timing, and the 6 queens alone keep you safe.

On July 23 2012 05:14 whatevername wrote:
Alright, how do I deal with the +1 4 gate zealot pressure? I begin making roaches around 8:00 but like 6 zealots can hit my base by 8:30, they just sniped my hatch and bolted. Was that just a failure in my roach production or am I meant to hold it off with lings [???]