The Zerg Help Me Thread - Page 30

On October 12 2010 03:50 Zill wrote:
As a new Zerg player, a lot of the questions I come up with I dismiss with an answer such as "Well, I can't be the only one to think of this, so there's got to be a reason it won't work."

I've got one I can't really get around though.

Why don't we see Burrow used with workers as a way to prevent/delay harassment? This is something I have been trying to introduce into my play, and would like some feedback on the usefulness or lack of.

Thank you to everyone providing helpful information in this thread, it's priceless to players like myself.

On October 11 2010 06:51 luckyjj10 wrote:
Hey there, instead of using a new thread I'll post here... I need some help as to what I should have done in this match. Pardon the BM at the end as I was losing to thors all day in various different ways. I know I obviously made mistakes, but I just want a general idea of what I -should- have done... I thought I was demolishing him in macro(well I was, like 2x resources by the end)

I went by ultras being one of the main answers for thor... looking back I think the only other thing that might have done better was if I fast teched to broodlords and upgraded their armor. I'm not sure, just looking for help in general game choices.


http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/89041-1v1-terran-zerg-metalopolis#rd:undefined;markup

On October 12 2010 04:57 Raiden X wrote:



They should make lings to be able to jump off Cliffs, but not be able to climb them. Or Burrow and move before the research

I think we are both operating under the assumption that the terran army crushes the zerg army. I agree that countering is an option that breaks even, since the battle will likely occur on your home turf. If you catch him on the creep, even better. However you give the terran a winning move, if he crushes you near your main, he can split his remaining forces to take out your tech and 3rd, and rally reinforcements to any other mining expansions. I would still advise attacking him right as he moves out, and babysitting infestors during the battle so you can fungal to buy time for remax.

On October 12 2010 00:20 Metaspace wrote:
I have a problem with larva injections - tried this weekend to put all queens in a group and mass inject while cycling through hatches using backspace.

When a queen has not enough energy for it's hatch, another will crawl across the map to inject instead. This often results in a cascade, as another hatch has now no queen (it is still close, but bound to inject a hatch on the other side of the map) etc.
Of course I only notice this later.

The whole thing is so unstable, that it severely messed up my larva management, and I switched back to hotkeying all my bases as before (5 all hatches, 6 main, 7 nat, 8 3rd, 9 4th, 0 5th), double tapping base, selecting queen with mouse injecting etc.

Not fast, but I make no errors.

Any advice?

On October 12 2010 21:35 Jaeng wrote:
Looking for some advice here, (1100+ diamond) vs Toss.

The toss will FE as soon as he sees me going 14 gas, pool, to hatch.

I will scout and see him FEing, this will prompt me to drone pretty hard; i skip the lings if I see this.

Now here is the part that usually effs me, he goes 2 starport phoenix play (harass) this butchers me, as he will consistently hit my OVs; and effectively some drones or queens if I dont have hydras up by then or some spores.

I know my placement of buildings should be improved, and creep spread probably more; but here is where I lose generally; he goes 6-7 gate after saturation, and he pumps zeals stalkers with charge, and then comes out with templars.

At this point I have my hydra roach army, but the templars just eat my hydras up.


I tried some various strats with little success; mainly ling +1 cara into nydus on his main base; however he had cannons up behind his mineral lines and good placement of buildings so that failed.
(probably should have put roaches in the mix)


I read previously on this thread that people go mass muta 20-30; if he suspects this which he will see it as he has phoenixs harassing me all day he will just build more phoenixes and basically phoenixes vs mutas are gg; I could fungal them if i get lucky but thats a long-shot.

Any ideas? Thanks.

On October 12 2010 22:04 mathemagician1986 wrote:


I always go spire vs P nowadays, simply because I hate fighting off colossi, and hydras just die far too quickly vs them.

If they open stargate, I go spire nevertheless, but get 2-3 corruptors out. They are amoured and can tank a lot of phoenix shots. They also outrange phoenix. I then get mutas, and I'm then at least safe in my base from his phoenix. Usually P's don't continue making phoenix, they just make a few to force you into the hydra tech and away from spire, because muta/ling is a pain to deal with as P, while colossi are a pain to deal with as Z.

On October 12 2010 22:04 mathemagician1986 wrote:


I always go spire vs P nowadays, simply because I hate fighting off colossi, and hydras just die far too quickly vs them.

If they open stargate, I go spire nevertheless, but get 2-3 corruptors out. They are amoured and can tank a lot of phoenix shots. They also outrange phoenix. I then get mutas, and I'm then at least safe in my base from his phoenix. Usually P's don't continue making phoenix, they just make a few to force you into the hydra tech and away from spire, because muta/ling is a pain to deal with as P, while colossi are a pain to deal with as Z.

On October 12 2010 21:05 mathemagician1986 wrote:
Hello! epic thread!

I've been starting to go 14 hatch 16 pool vs protoss, seeing as their zealot build time was nerfed. I'm currently working on an extremely greedy variation, where I use both queen's first energy on larvae, so I can pump out those 8 extra drones. To do this, I decided to delay my gas considerably, as the 4 drones investment to get gas takes quite a toll on my mineral gather rate.

Now, if Protoss does a fairly fast expand aswell, I'm golden, but I have problems facing 4 warpgate pushes and fast voidrays. Vs 4 warpgates I've been laying down 3-4 spines and spamming lings (still not entirely sure on my rimings here, I think the push hits me at about 6:30 min), which always used to work for me, but if the P is any good with forcefields, he'll forcefield my spines so that my lings get pushed back, while his zealots can still attack the spines. What should I do?

Vs Voidrays I have the problem that I get my 3rd queen for creep tumors rather late, so if he rushes them, I sometimes can't get all my queens in place on time. Should I just keep on making more queens, or should I try to alter my build and get gas earlier for lair+hydras? I've been trying to ditch hydras lately, simply because they are so fragile vs colossi, I prefer going muta.

If you could share your 14 hatch 16 pool variation with me, esp concerning your gas timing, I'd really appreciate it. I've also been thinking about using this vs T, but I think I'll have to take gas earlier for ling speed, and maybe take those drones off gas again, so I have enough minerals for my production. Problems problems problems....

On October 13 2010 01:48 SirJebadiah wrote:
I apologize in advance but here's a pretty n00b question..

Whats the best way to control ultras and or lings to attack?

I find that when i try to attack there are always those 20+ lings running around trying to find a place to attack but stopping before they go for a full surround. Also, when I send in my ultras they usually just run into the enemy trying to run through to get to a unit behind the ones attacking them. I noticed once when i A-moved to the middle of a clump of stalkers my speedlings literally didnt attack anything, they just ran around the stalkers in circles. Should I A-move in front of them? or behind them?

On October 13 2010 09:28 raybasto wrote:
Whats the most cost effective way to stop a 2 gate with 6-10 Zealots into 4 gate? If I go Speedlings, the Zealots kill me. If I go Roach, I'm so far behind that the 4 gate kills me. Thanks

On October 12 2010 21:35 Jaeng wrote:
Looking for some advice here, (1100+ diamond) vs Toss.

The toss will FE as soon as he sees me going 14 gas, pool, to hatch.

I will scout and see him FEing, this will prompt me to drone pretty hard; i skip the lings if I see this.

Now here is the part that usually effs me, he goes 2 starport phoenix play (harass) this butchers me, as he will consistently hit my OVs; and effectively some drones or queens if I dont have hydras up by then or some spores.

I know my placement of buildings should be improved, and creep spread probably more; but here is where I lose generally; he goes 6-7 gate after saturation, and he pumps zeals stalkers with charge, and then comes out with templars.

At this point I have my hydra roach army, but the templars just eat my hydras up.


I tried some various strats with little success; mainly ling +1 cara into nydus on his main base; however he had cannons up behind his mineral lines and good placement of buildings so that failed.
(probably should have put roaches in the mix)


I read previously on this thread that people go mass muta 20-30; if he suspects this which he will see it as he has phoenixs harassing me all day he will just build more phoenixes and basically phoenixes vs mutas are gg; I could fungal them if i get lucky but thats a long-shot.

Any ideas? Thanks.