The Zerg Help Me Thread - Page 146

On January 07 2012 07:08 Rednaxela_19 wrote:
I don't know if this is a bad question for this thread, but, I haven't played for awhile, and being a former diamond player, I don't want to start playing again without knowing some up to date standard builds as of now. Preferably some safe builds I can use on any map size, and relatively easy to pull off. So what should I use vs each race? and what should be my goal for unit comp in the end game? Thanks for the help

On January 07 2012 08:31 Archile wrote:
question: i feel like roaches are really weak, even with infestors, or good upgrades, or burrow, yet i see so many pros just demolish with them

any suggestions on how to use roaches? thanks,
Archile

On January 07 2012 09:13 cocer wrote:


select all roaches, press a, click in your opponents base.

no but seriously. against zerg roaches are kind of the base-unit, they own zerglings etc so that should be no hard explaining
against protoss roaches are good at defending gateway pushes, and against certain unit compositions (like zealot archon) while they also are strong for timing attacks against third base etc.
against terran they are rarely used, mostly against blue flame hellions and mech
:D

On January 07 2012 10:04 Dexxy wrote:
After a few months off I am now back to playing. My ZvT and ZvP is fine, but my ZvZ is absolutly horrible. If the game goes to the later stages I usually come up ahead via smart harassing, but my early game is really bad.

It feels to me that if I open 14/14, he open early hatch and outmacros me. I hatch first I get cheesed. I go gasless pool to expand I get shut down by early banelings.

So I am wondering: Is there a safe opening build that I can go, that I can change slightly dipending on what I scout? Right now I am totaly clueless. I am in Diamond league.

On January 07 2012 09:13 cocer wrote:


select all roaches, press a, click in your opponents base.

no but seriously. against zerg roaches are kind of the base-unit, they own zerglings etc so that should be no hard explaining
against protoss roaches are good at defending gateway pushes, and against certain unit compositions (like zealot archon) while they also are strong for timing attacks against third base etc.
against terran they are rarely used, mostly against blue flame hellions and mech
:D

On January 07 2012 07:08 Rednaxela_19 wrote:
I don't know if this is a bad question for this thread, but, I haven't played for awhile, and being a former diamond player, I don't want to start playing again without knowing some up to date standard builds as of now. Preferably some safe builds I can use on any map size, and relatively easy to pull off. So what should I use vs each race? and what should be my goal for unit comp in the end game? Thanks for the help

On January 07 2012 03:59 derpinator wrote:
I understand you should out macro the terran because he invests so much in tech and you can contain him on 2 bases. The idea to force him to use the energy of ravens before he gets to much of them is a good one. However I still wouldnt know what kind of units I should make. It feels like that when terran reaches a certain critical mass of ravens im unable to turn the tide and proceed to lose the game. This seems like a gimmick strat and I want to know how to handle it.

On January 08 2012 01:46 jkimnw wrote:
What's the rough timing for a dt rush on 1 base?

On January 08 2012 01:52 arena_say_what wrote:
I have a hard time knowing when to make overlords after the 15/18 supply. In every matchup from doing 12pool/19hatch, 14pool/15hatch, 15hatch/14pool I end up making overlords at different supplys and it's really fucking up my droning and general timing. It especially hurts me in zvp when mass FFE gateway pushes start comming at 8-9mins. What are the best times to make overlords? How long do you keep making 1 overlord at a time and when do you start making more than 1 at a time?

he's spending too much gas on ravens so he's probably not making tanks. overrun his base with mass speedlings/banelings and tech to infestors. split the infestors so u minimize splash from the seeker missiles while u fungal the ravens to death. (or neural if terran splits ravens too). you should be able to contain terran to a small number of bases and eventually win.

On January 08 2012 19:16 Chinesewonder wrote:
I need help so bad in ZvT. I'm in low masters and I have no idea how to deal with hellions. Literally every game I lose to 8 hellions which just run past my spines and kill everything. Even if I don't die to it, most terrans just follow it up with a tank push and I lose. Do I just need more spines and more queens? I usually get about 1 extra queen and 2 spines + evo chamber to block, but I just don't know what to do. Also when do I want to get my 3rd? I feel if I want till I get mutas to retake map control, its just so late as most terrans are already building their third in some cases. Please help, I just don't know what to do.

On January 08 2012 19:46 yakitate304 wrote:


The way I play ZvT is a very slightly modified aXa's ZvT build. I use 2 evo chambers and 2 spines to make a decent wall at my natural (1 spine w/ the evo chambers at the front, other spine near the mineral line where Hellions would have to go by to get into the main). As the build suggests, I make a fair amount of Speedlings. I keep them out of my base, and make sure to position a few so I'm prepared as soon as the Hellions get out onto the map. I like to try to trap the Hellions at my ramp by flanking them with Zerglings just as they try to enter. Queens + Spine +1/4 of Lings attacking from inside your base, 3/4 of Lings from the other side.

I find that I'm able to stuff most ~5-10 Hellion plays with or without Blue Flame, and usually come out ahead because I also have a macro hatch, 4 queens (3 for injects, 1 for creep - plus useful defense for when Banshees come out).

It's not the most economical/refined way of playing but once you have map control with your lings you can drone pretty freely while teching up to Lair for Infestor or Muta, and taking a third and fairly fast fourth.