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ZomgTossRush
United States1041 Posts
On September 18 2010 07:50 Oleksandr wrote: Why do people assume top-ranked US Terrans know what they are doing? Let's see how they do after 1.1 patch and Mule nerf. .....because they are high ranked terran players.... | ||
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BaaL`
297 Posts
Beside that, SCVs are pretty good against Marines in low numbers, Bunkers are great too. Mass Marine simply sucks pretty bad against Terran. | ||
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Oleksandr
United States227 Posts
On September 18 2010 07:53 zomgtossrush wrote: .....because they are high ranked terran players.... ... and win a lot of tournaments, and? | ||
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Disastorm
United States922 Posts
Are there any positives to this opening or is it just garbage that high rankings do for no reason, or are these players just used to this opening because it is good in some other matchup? | ||
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Moja
United States313 Posts
On September 18 2010 08:58 Disastorm wrote: Hello I have noticed alot of high rating Diamond players (1200 - 1400) use mass marines opening against Zerg. I don't quite understand this opening as I completely obliterate it by getting banelings and speedlings. Are there any positives to this opening or is it just garbage that high rankings do for no reason, or are these players just used to this opening because it is good in some other matchup? The opening: - is safe against early pressure (baneling bust and 5RR) - is pretty easy to execute - autowins if the zerg skips banelings, or is too greedy with drones - can still do a lot of damage if microed well - transitions into a strong bio midgame (has a nice feel being able to mass units quickly, as opposed to mech with its slow production and slow units - also a much more mobile army allows you to expand and pressure more aggressively). Seige tanks are added to deal with banelings. - marines own mutas, and EVERY single zerg goes mutas against terran... It's decent against protoss too. Against Terran it's bad. Siege and bunkers will ruin your day. | ||
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MonkeyKungFu
Norway154 Posts
If you dont have banlings, its autowin If toss does not have storm and misses his ff, its pretty hard to deal with. | ||
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ROOTdrewbie
Canada1392 Posts
On September 18 2010 08:45 Oleksandr wrote: ... and win a lot of tournaments, and? oh another crybaby zerg Oleksandr why do you think you are better than these players even though you lose to them every game and just cry and blame imbalance? | ||
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bulge
161 Posts
On September 18 2010 07:45 zomgtossrush wrote: I think 99% of the people posting here so far don't relize marine rushes are designed to come before seige mode is done. Edit: do ppl just not micro their marines against zealots these days... Why is everyone saying mass marines lose to zealots. Im not sure that marines are autowin, but with good enough micro a nice group of well control marines can cost effectively rape zealots. this guy is the only one who got it right. the rest of you are right out to lunch. marine all-in is usually done with 5+ rax and sometimes a FE orbital, it hits BEFORE siege tech (unless your blind build order is skip orbital, double gas asap, straight to siege tech) or any other fancy tech. it will take you into diamond easily. top diamond terrans do use it, and progamers have also lost to it. its effective because, if your opponent does a FE he will probably lose, if he makes a mistake he loses, if he skimps on army to tech he loses. | ||
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Oleksandr
United States227 Posts
On September 18 2010 09:17 drewbie.root wrote: oh another crybaby zerg Oleksandr why do you think you are better than these players even though you lose to them every game and just cry and blame imbalance? Wow, you are spying on me? | ||
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Agenda42
United States112 Posts
On September 18 2010 07:45 zomgtossrush wrote: I think 99% of the people posting here so far don't relize marine rushes are designed to come before seige mode is done. How many marines can you get across metalopolis before siege tech? That's a loooong walk. | ||
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bulge
161 Posts
On September 18 2010 13:11 Agenda42 wrote: How many marines can you get across metalopolis before siege tech? That's a loooong walk. i did a quick test using this clock: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=141668 i can get a sieged tank and about 6 marines at 6:24 gametime or i can have 14 marines across the map on metalopolis at 6:15 the timings are tight, but basically if you don't go straight for siege mode or build very well placed bunkers, it's over. | ||
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sl0w
United States447 Posts
On September 18 2010 13:11 Agenda42 wrote: How many marines can you get across metalopolis before siege tech? That's a loooong walk. Metalopolis isn't the biggest map and distances can be real close if u spawn next to each other. Desert Oasis is a map that takes a hell of a long time to get to the other base. I've also gotten siege mode right before a mass marine rush on Kulas on cross positions. | ||
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Noxie
United States2227 Posts
Vs Zerg its very viable.. if the Z fast expands or doesn't attempt to go baneling its over. Event with banelings you can micro to win | ||
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PimpMobeel
120 Posts
On September 17 2010 17:26 Kewlots wrote: Yeah I tend to see this sought of stuff slot in games and think what if the guy just 4 warp gated or marine rushed he hasn't got anything but I just accepted that these guys are just at a level that I can't fathom yet and I should just accept they know whats up  Often they don't and they just lose. E.g. Idra vs Lotzeprime game 2. | ||
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timpan_b
Sweden16 Posts
05:30 - siege mode and tank is up and running. 05:30 - 4 rax up and pumping, 7 marines outside opponents ramp 06:00 - 11 marines outside opponents ramp. siegemode > marinesfastomgrush. | ||
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Fyodor
Canada971 Posts
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Agenda42
United States112 Posts
On September 18 2010 14:17 motus wrote: Metalopolis isn't the biggest map and distances can be real close if u spawn next to each other. Desert Oasis is a map that takes a hell of a long time to get to the other base. I've also gotten siege mode right before a mass marine rush on Kulas on cross positions. Yep. Marine all-ins are pretty darned scary on other maps, or even on close positions on Metalopolis. The OP was asking why CauthonLuck and drewbie were both scouting so late, and why they weren't afraid of a mass marine play. I think the answer is the map and positions -- with such long rush distances, the standard builds won't have any real trouble handling a marine all-in. If you watch the same players on different maps, their scouting patterns are very different, because they're worried about different things. | ||
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arbi
10 Posts
In a nutshell it appears the 2 key points are: 1) Metapolis map and their positions starting positions make marine rush less of a threat 2) Fast siege tech (even though they went straight for starports with 1/1/1) negates marine rush and high level players don't want to build a rush where there is a reasonable chance that the other player can negate and yet make the rusher left behind in a low tech stage afterwards. It will be interesting to see after the next patch where siege tanks are nerfed if marine rushes become more common. | ||
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