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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
August 02 2010 03:17 GMT
#41
hey dan do u want revenge on our zvp sometime? it has been looking deadly similar to our broodwar days, huh?

nice guide btw bro
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
August 02 2010 03:35 GMT
#42
On August 02 2010 11:57 LaLuSh wrote:
Nice Saracen. I've actually begun figuring out ZvT recently. My chronic whining syndrome started settling down. But it's still a despicable matchup from the zerg point of view.

Not as inclined in thinking it's imbalanced anymore, but it'll take me several months more to learn how to counter every one of the million variations available to terran.

Employing irony is dangerous though. Blizzard might buff terran again...

I'm almost finished writing a thread on TvZ balance suggestions, most of which aren't even really balance changes, but rather suggestions on making terran macro more taxing. Differentiating the real gosu terrans from the cheesy impostors.


Yeah this thread was just for shits and giggles, but maybe some Terran players will find it helpful as well. I'm planning on writing something more constructive in the future.

Ray, I never see you online. You gotta add me, bro
muta_micro
Profile Joined February 2010
United States183 Posts
August 02 2010 03:40 GMT
#43
TvZ is banging. Its pretty true that terran owns this MU at the moment. the only tvz's ive lost were due to my computer crashing. Actually all but 5 losses are due to that, damn ati.
You know when you see a planet and you see that light, that planet isn't even there thats just a light, that's just your neighbor shining a flashlight into your backyard looking for coons.
Whole
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States6046 Posts
August 02 2010 04:02 GMT
#44
RandomBS vs Saracen BO5 Showmatch. Day9 commentary. It needs to happen!
PaleBlueDot
Profile Joined January 2009
United States263 Posts
August 02 2010 05:03 GMT
#45
Hey lets bandwagon the popular guy, that'll fix the imaginary problems that korea and idra are strangely immune too.
Veteran of pre-Masters Medivac Alamo
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
August 02 2010 05:07 GMT
#46
Hey let's jump on the Korean Zerg bandwagon. I hear they're really tearing shit up.
TheOracle
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia256 Posts
August 02 2010 05:28 GMT
#47
Yeah, unfortunately Saracen has it, and it makes me rather sad as a T player that the matchup is this way. I wonder when different maps will be introduced, because it seems that it is as much the map's fault as T themselves.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
August 02 2010 05:44 GMT
#48
Oh, Saracen, the introduction made me laugh, thank you
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Balor
Profile Joined April 2010
United States147 Posts
August 02 2010 05:49 GMT
#49
The problem with this match-up is the number of options the Terran has, and the number of responses the zerg has. And the fact the Terran is in complete control

Reapers: should in most cases win the game outright with correct control. Counters all Zerg ground when micro'ed correctly, also achieves map control and forces the zerg to remain on base.

Helions: Map control, forces roaches or spinecrawler to defend, betas lings when micro'd correctly cost for cost.

Banshee: often transitioned to from helions: forces zerg to play defensive as it negates any possible tier 1 attack, also delays zerg lair as he is forced to make queens.

Mech army: when Detectors are in play, ultimately it is unstoppable with anything nearing efficiency. having problems with drops? Sensor tower is here!

Bio army: if detection is used correctly along with proper counter bling micro, can beat mopst zerg compositions along with being porbably the most mobile force in the game aside from air.

Now lets look at zerg:

tier 1 Your on the defense the entire time. You are attemting to saturate your natural without getting rolled or losing all of your drones. You must blindly invest in speedling's because the tech is too slow if you get reaper'ed or helion for you to tech in time.

Tier 2: options open up, roach burrow if the Terran is bad, infestors if he messes up or mutas if hes just god aweful.

Tier 3: How the hell did you make it this far? well in any case there not much left to do, The terran mech army is at your door, with enough tanks to 1 shot the nerfed ultra and enough vikings to handily kill any BL's
Grimjim
Profile Joined May 2010
United States395 Posts
August 02 2010 14:34 GMT
#50
After losing 6 straight ZvT, I decided to bump this thread in order for Random to walk the walk.

And the worst part? After losing one game, I was matched up immediately with the same guy on the very same map, and he still managed to thrash me a completely new way.

1 base Bio push, 1 base Hellion push, 1 base Tank push, Reaper harass into Hellion harass into another god damn Tank push. Thorshop, Tank drops, cloaked Banshees. And if any of these don't win the game outright, he expands and I lose the econ war.

Why the hell does the "defensive" race have so many ways to not be defensive?
I am serious. And my name is Shirley.
Zoltan
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States656 Posts
August 02 2010 14:52 GMT
#51
I hate that there are games where i roast all their drones with my hellions and still lose.
'HOW LONG HAVE THOSE REAPERS BEEN KILLING MY PROBES?!?!
koOma
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway462 Posts
August 02 2010 15:31 GMT
#52
having trouble TvZ.. I mean, as of now, Terran has like a billion openings and transitions that work sick well. This thread should be closed and re-opened after the invevitable Terran doomswitch arrives
He wears a mask so when he dogs his face / Each and every race could absorb the bass /// ST_Life
Bair
Profile Joined May 2010
United States698 Posts
August 02 2010 15:40 GMT
#53
Saracen, you are a terrible human being for spreading such knowledge, if you are human at all. I hope a baneling is waiting in your bed tonight.

In somewhat related news, does terran have a decent counter to sling/bling/muta? I go this every game and since I can transition to ultraling, it just murders terrans.
In Roaches I Rust.
koppik
Profile Joined April 2010
United States676 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 15:54:54
August 02 2010 15:49 GMT
#54
On August 02 2010 14:07 Saracen wrote:
Hey let's jump on the Korean Zerg bandwagon. I hear they're really tearing shit up.
But, they actually are. Well, it was more stunning yesterday when like it was 6 Zs with like 70%+ win ratios in the top ten, but it's down to five now.
TymerA
Profile Joined July 2010
Netherlands759 Posts
August 02 2010 15:52 GMT
#55
the second combatEX vs Chill !!! it must happen!!!
nice.
Grimjim
Profile Joined May 2010
United States395 Posts
August 02 2010 16:00 GMT
#56
On August 03 2010 00:40 Bair wrote:
Saracen, you are a terrible human being for spreading such knowledge, if you are human at all. I hope a baneling is waiting in your bed tonight.

In somewhat related news, does terran have a decent counter to sling/bling/muta? I go this every game and since I can transition to ultraling, it just murders terrans.


Please send me a replay/BO. ZvT makes me cry at night. I tried a few Muta builds, but every-time I ended up with 4 Mutas and a few Lings meeting a Bio ball that crushes me.
I am serious. And my name is Shirley.
Buffy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden665 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-08-02 16:45:41
August 02 2010 16:44 GMT
#57
Nice read ! Even though I am a Zerg player I haven't met those builds to much or not at least the thor drop. The others pop up every now and then. And don't tell the public about marauders / Hellions : / Scary build !

Nice read anyways !
Yes I am
fdsdfg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1251 Posts
August 02 2010 17:06 GMT
#58
On August 02 2010 23:34 Grimjim wrote:
1 base Bio push, 1 base Hellion push, 1 base Tank push, Reaper harass into Hellion harass into another god damn Tank push. Thorshop, Tank drops, cloaked Banshees. And if any of these don't win the game outright, he expands and I lose the econ war.

Why the hell does the "defensive" race have so many ways to not be defensive?


Yeah, Zerg is supposed to be aggressive but the myriad of Terran options and the inability to scout them means Z has to immediately assume the defensive in this matchup - and stay defensive until tier 3. It sucks.
aka Siyko
Antpile
Profile Joined March 2009
United States213 Posts
August 02 2010 17:18 GMT
#59
I love this post!

My favorite essays to write back in my college days were the ones where we would use irony to prove our point.

That being said, while this is clearly written to prove a point with sarcasm, it's also pretty damn true.
Bair
Profile Joined May 2010
United States698 Posts
August 02 2010 17:21 GMT
#60
On August 03 2010 01:00 Grimjim wrote:
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On August 03 2010 00:40 Bair wrote:
Saracen, you are a terrible human being for spreading such knowledge, if you are human at all. I hope a baneling is waiting in your bed tonight.

In somewhat related news, does terran have a decent counter to sling/bling/muta? I go this every game and since I can transition to ultraling, it just murders terrans.


Please send me a replay/BO. ZvT makes me cry at night. I tried a few Muta builds, but every-time I ended up with 4 Mutas and a few Lings meeting a Bio ball that crushes me.


I have no set BO beyond a 14 pool 15 gas. After that it is all what I scout. Before you get mutas out, you should have a sizeable amount of speedlings and a good enough map awareness to morph some to banelings depending on the bioball approaching.

When you get mutas, do not get many. I win by using banelines/speedlings to melt their ground army, and use muta harass to delay them rebuilding it while I outmacro.
In Roaches I Rust.
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