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taarna
United States61 Posts
Midgame positions have some flexibility, especially as overlords become used for transport, gain speed, spew creep, etc. Late game positions are less important since there will be so many overlords and creep tumors ideally. Besides the above, what are the most important early/mid/late positions for overlords for each map. Pics would be nice. Does anyone have a link to a gallery of all the maps? | ||
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Krissam
Denmark189 Posts
I like having them on every highground you wont be able to see without air units/scans, especially on LT where you have a highround over pretty much every mineral node on the map. | ||
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Wolf
Korea (South)3290 Posts
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figq
12519 Posts
On June 26 2010 03:49 Krissam wrote: This. For example:I like having them on every highground you wont be able to see without air units/scans, especially on LT where you have a highround over pretty much every mineral node on the map. ![[image loading]](http://i45.tinypic.com/ngzskh.png) | ||
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Saracen
United States5139 Posts
1. Overlord to the inside of his base - this sees exactly what he's doing early game 2. Overlord to their natural choke - this sees exactly when he's moving out 3. Overlord to a remote edge of his base - this should be sacrificed at an important tech timing to see his tech choice 4. Overlord to the back of his natural - this sees his natural expansion timing 5. Overlord to natural cliff - for Kulas Ravine and Lost Temple Mid Game 6. Overlord to each possible expansion - this delays expansions with spread creep 7. Overlords around his base - this detects possible drops and is useful if you plan on using the nydus worm (careful if he has air superiority) 8. Spread the rest over the map to get as good of a map vision coverage as possible. | ||
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Wyrmkin
United States12 Posts
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AdahnSC
United States376 Posts
the problem with middle game positioning is (especially vs a terran player) you will get picked off by vikings or other air if you're not very very careful. Basically it means you need the overlord speed upgrade if you want good overlord positioning mid game. Late game I'm not so sure on where to put your overlords. on the one hand 100 minerals for a scout late game is great, but on the other hand you can easily make due with creep tumor vision if you haven't been slacking in that department. probably you just want overlords to cover islands and air routes. | ||
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Actua
Canada101 Posts
Also, posting em around important chokes/places he'll most likely use to move his army is essential to know the when/where/how of his army. Just gonna make sure you retreat em all or hide em all if theres any phoenix, viking or mutas coming to cut your losses. | ||
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blackodd
Sweden451 Posts
![[image loading]](http://pici.se/pictures/AbMvdRLGV.jpg) Lost Temple 1: their base: You can hide an overlord on the high ground just at his mineral line. If you play against zerg the zerg can however just move their overlord and kill your overlord with queen. You have to be careful with this overlord vs terran also, since marines are pesky Perfectly safe vs protoss natural: same thing, more safe if you move this as your first overlord 2: opponents army will almost always move from tower to tower so this position is critical.. these overlords might die a lot though, but it's usually worth it 3: the lower 3's sees both the gold exp and any potential air harass coming, transports etc. you might want to have more ovvies at the upper 3 if you play against terran - tank drops are annoying basically cover air space and high ground with ovvies, creep tumors fixes the rest | ||
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TheNomad
United States134 Posts
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savysmith
Canada44 Posts
On scrapstation, I'll also plant an overlord within range of the rocks closest to the enemy to keep tabs on any plans to break them down. Also, there are some places to absolutely avoid when placing overlords. Most importantly, avoid clustering any "extra" overlords in any one place. I always try to keep my supply at least one overlord more than I need so I don't get supply-blocked if one get's sniped. But losing a flock of a dozen overlords that you tried to "hide" in a corner of the map would be disastrous. And if you have to cluster them somewhere, then do it in your base, over your mineral line and surrounded with spore crawlers. This will give the overlords some protection while also helping to protect some drones. | ||
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sinn
United States132 Posts
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Lighioana
Norway466 Posts
You need an overlord at the rocks. | ||
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sinn
United States132 Posts
And an overlord between the enemy's base and the islane. And one that can see just the edge of the minerals at the enemy's expansion. | ||
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Lighioana
Norway466 Posts
On June 26 2010 17:14 ayadew wrote: Lost Temple 1: their base: You can hide an overlord on the high ground just at his mineral line. If you play against zerg the zerg can however just move their overlord and kill your overlord with queen. You have to be careful with this overlord vs terran also, since marines are pesky Perfectly safe vs protoss natural: same thing, more safe if you move this as your first overlord 2: opponents army will almost always move from tower to tower so this position is critical.. these overlords might die a lot though, but it's usually worth it 3: the lower 3's sees both the gold exp and any potential air harass coming, transports etc. you might want to have more ovvies at the upper 3 if you play against terran - tank drops are annoying basically cover air space and high ground with ovvies, creep tumors fixes the rest Overlords near the towers are easy kill because of the vision provided by the towers. If you place them on the other two highgrounds you see the middle AND the areas hidden by "fog" (what's the name of that?) so it's hard to sneak anything without seeing it. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/WROdq.jpg) | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On June 28 2010 19:18 sinn wrote: Yep, the earliest ones are just to signal for the earliest rushes (which are not through the rocks, that happens a bit later). For the rocks I prefer spreading creep. Expos are scout's duty.And an overlord between the enemy's base and the islane. And one that can see just the edge of the minerals at the enemy's expansion. | ||
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Bluedraqy
Denmark496 Posts
"fog" (what's the name of that? Fog of war, yes =) | ||
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
It might actually be a good idea to send 3rd lord towards their base if you plan on sacrificing it to scout around early mid game or so. In that case, add 1 to each placement. ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/sY0SX.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/vPfKh.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/PzB14.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/NIO96.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/CpFFX.jpg) Note that the placements are often moving around in a small area or poking in every so often. And I might swap around 1, 2, or 3 depending on what's happening. Generally the further away/less safe path to the spot is, from me positionally, the earlier I put a lord there. Doing 4 player maps now.. Actually, some of the 4 player maps (metalopolis) are totally different for every positional angle and luck based on scouting. so I'll just put dots where overlords are likely to go. You're just going to have to figure out when it's safe for each place etc. ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/XgnTj.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/WDEMF.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://imgur.com/5oNcv.jpg) I may have forgotten a couple dots here and there, but most of the stuff is mirrored. Metalopolis should get rid of the middle ramps of the gold bases. | ||
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fosh.ger
Germany14 Posts
On June 26 2010 17:14 ayadew wrote: @ayadew: Where did you get this great .jpg of LT. Is ist possible to have one for the other (important) maps too? | ||
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Zoltan
United States656 Posts
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Lighioana
Norway466 Posts
On June 28 2010 22:50 Zoltan wrote: nice work guys- this will be useful for both playing as zerg and ol sniping vs zerg. Oh no! What have we done!  | ||
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FC.Strike
United States621 Posts
Yeah, the first thing I thought about when this thread was made was all of my overlords getting sniped >.< | ||
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taarna
United States61 Posts
On June 28 2010 23:07 FC.Strike wrote: Yeah, the first thing I thought about when this thread was made was all of my overlords getting sniped >.< LOL I'm a zerg player and was curious if I was missing any good spots, but my other motivation was to hunt them with Vikings when I play around with Terran. *0* | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
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