EPTHere are the reps (including +1 melee speed glings) :
http://www.sendspace.com/file/hq0mk7 (1 zvz prepatch)
http://www.sendspace.com/file/m87q05 (5 zvz post patch)
Edit : currently 1400 plat.
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RaiZ
2813 Posts
Here are the reps (including +1 melee speed glings) : http://www.sendspace.com/file/hq0mk7 (1 zvz prepatch) http://www.sendspace.com/file/m87q05 (5 zvz post patch) Edit : currently 1400 plat. | ||
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MaximumSquid
United States62 Posts
It seems that someone has changed the title of my thread without permission. Fortunately for me I keep backups of everything I post online and I was easily able to restore the banner. If there is a mod who can change the title back that would be helpful as this is not the only place that I've posted this build and I feel it would be far less confusing if the strategy retained it's name. . . Likewise -orb-'s "Wombo Combo" is a lot easy to remember than if you called it. . . say. . . "Blink Stalker / Sentry / Observer, Microed Attack" julealgon: The build attacks very quickly so there is only a little bit of time to expand the creep using tumors Overlords don't get creep placement until Lair, but on the rare game that I tech that far I always use it. Moving up crawlers would be a good call vs Zerg if you had creep laying, but would be riskier vs. Toss or Terran since they both can get Siege out faster than you --- EuroBlast: haha wow. . . if you hadn't said anything I don't think I would have ever noticed that. . . I never build Hydralisks. . . is the hotkey for the Hydralisk Den anywhere near the hotkey for Spinecrawler? --- Kinky: By sniped do you mean your opponent shot your queens to death or did he pop them with feedback? The queens transfusion range is 5 or 6 I believe so if there weren't any Anti-Armor units that the queens needed to take hits from then you should have easily kept them safe in the backline. --- mOnion: I can't really think of a more opportune time to attack someone than when they are expanding. . . Can you? --- Thanks for the feedback everyone. . . I think I will be updating the Original Post soon with this info. No news on Terran yet, but it looks like reviews for ZvZ is very positive, and ZvP is mostly positive. | ||
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exit
United States6 Posts
Seems really strong vs. Protoss, especially those that try to FE w/ a forge build. Really strong vs. most Zerg builds, but there were 2-3 games where I didn't scout early enough and got eaten by a 7pool rush (I was being greedy and going for a 15pool, never again!) Against terran though I had more issues, as soon as they scouted the 2-3 queens they set up some bunkers on either side of their wall w/ fatties inside(marauders). Stymied my attack pretty succinctly. Saw this twice, first time I got raped by it, 2nd time I wanted to see if I could micro better and make it in, turns out that I couldn't. If this happens again I may just go for a contain and concentrate on macro and move on to mid-game. | ||
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scAre
Estonia28 Posts
Im curious of possibility to have a reasonable timing with an expansion? | ||
Kinky
United States4126 Posts
On April 13 2010 22:37 MaximumSquid wrote: Kinky: By sniped do you mean your opponent shot your queens to death or did he pop them with feedback? The queens transfusion range is 5 or 6 I believe so if there weren't any Anti-Armor units that the queens needed to take hits from then you should have easily kept them safe in the backline. I meant that the Protoss was able to move in with stalkers/immortals and kill the queens first. He had about three immortals at the time because he was chronoboosting them, and that amount of immortals is just too scary for a small roach army. I'll try this strat again some other time. It seems fun to pull off  | ||
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Diaspora
United States140 Posts
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earky
United States87 Posts
On April 13 2010 18:58 RaiZ wrote: Actually this strat works better than i thought it would especially against Z. I already thought of that before but didn't bothered to check it thorougly (spelling ? T_T). Here are the reps (including +1 melee speed glings) : http://www.sendspace.com/file/hq0mk7 (1 zvz prepatch) http://www.sendspace.com/file/m87q05 (5 zvz post patch) Edit : currently 1400 plat. Nice.. I watched all except the blistering sands one. I'm definitely gonna try this now. I want to see how this is countered, anyone have a replay where this loses to Z? maybe extreme turtling (6-8 spine wall) to fast mutas. But that would have had to been his plan from the start.. Interesting. | ||
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s031720
Sweden383 Posts
I cant watch replays; did you go roaches or lings? Did you FE or not? Did you transition into mutas? | ||
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RaiZ
2813 Posts
It's something like this : p10 11 12 13 depend of the map and how close the positions are extractor 15 (could get it later without problem if you need more minerals, the key here is to have queens and roaches, which will cost more minerals than gas) roach den at 15 16 17 hell even 20, we really need queens more than anything here. If i'm making the roach late, it's because of overly aggressive zerglings builds (but i guess we can easily make a roach den BEFORE the gas because need minerals more than anything) Attack with 2 or 3 queens and keep the 1st queen pumping larvaes and make roaches non stop. The most important thing : always keep 1 drone with your army or put it somewhere far from the main to avoid getting backstabed and build another hatch either in his base or his expansion (only if the speedlings are backstabbing you and you think you can't hold it off because your roaches are already on the way to his base). | ||
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
On April 13 2010 22:37 MaximumSquid wrote: + Show Spoiler + Oh dear. . . It seems that someone has changed the title of my thread without permission. Fortunately for me I keep backups of everything I post online and I was easily able to restore the banner. If there is a mod who can change the title back that would be helpful as this is not the only place that I've posted this build and I feel it would be far less confusing if the strategy retained it's name. . . Likewise -orb-'s "Wombo Combo" is a lot easy to remember than if you called it. . . say. . . "Blink Stalker / Sentry / Observer, Microed Attack" julealgon: The build attacks very quickly so there is only a little bit of time to expand the creep using tumors Overlords don't get creep placement until Lair, but on the rare game that I tech that far I always use it. Moving up crawlers would be a good call vs Zerg if you had creep laying, but would be riskier vs. Toss or Terran since they both can get Siege out faster than you --- EuroBlast: haha wow. . . if you hadn't said anything I don't think I would have ever noticed that. . . I never build Hydralisks. . . is the hotkey for the Hydralisk Den anywhere near the hotkey for Spinecrawler? --- Kinky: By sniped do you mean your opponent shot your queens to death or did he pop them with feedback? The queens transfusion range is 5 or 6 I believe so if there weren't any Anti-Armor units that the queens needed to take hits from then you should have easily kept them safe in the backline. --- mOnion: I can't really think of a more opportune time to attack someone than when they are expanding. . . Can you? first of all. mods dont need your permission to change the title of your thread. your name for the push sucks because when you say "anthill offense" noone knows what you mean because the term hasnt been coined. unlike something along the lines of "bisu build". secondly. obviously the best time to attack is when theyre expanding. but you make it sound as if you will always win if you make units and they expand. which you wont. | ||
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MaximumSquid
United States62 Posts
Nice games. . . I noticed you never got +1 Missile which lets you kill Lings one attack quicker, but it seemed like you didn't need it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKk20R8XaQI You got hit HARD and didn't lose a single unit! Really phenomenal  --- exit: Heh. . . yeah I've been doing a lot of 13 pool myself. . . seems like everyone does early harass now It looks like the build can put just about everything on the ropes except for a Terran Wall-in I still need to test teching to banelings while keeping the enemy contained. --- scAre: I've expanded a couple of times; the best time to expand is obviously going to be when you push I've only done it a few times, but it's always against Terran. After the exp gets saturated I keep producing queens and roaches while hard tech to broodlords and attack about 5m later with the hopes of ending the game before the 15m mark ( The amount of heals I have by then are just ridiculous ) | ||
Hot_Bid
Braavos36400 Posts
On April 13 2010 22:37 MaximumSquid wrote: Oh dear. . . It seems that someone has changed the title of my thread without permission. Fortunately for me I keep backups of everything I post online and I was easily able to restore the banner. If there is a mod who can change the title back that would be helpful as this is not the only place that I've posted this build and I feel it would be far less confusing if the strategy retained it's name... I removed your "banner" which is really just your way of trying to name the thread what you want. I feel that the new name "Queen Offense" is more accurate and makes it much easier for people to identify what this thread is about. Also, I do not like the trend of naming strategies after users or after whoever made a thread about it first. Please do not put the banner back up or try to change the title in any other way, its best as it is. | ||
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MaximumSquid
United States62 Posts
I checked my PMs and e-mail and didn't see any messages from TL staff so I wasn't entirely certain if the name change was to just to reduce the nonconstructive posts or if it was in fact vandalism. I do; however, appreciate you coming forward even if it was late In the future when I post this on other forums would you have a problem with me linking back here even if I use the original name? Also. . . For the sake of reference Even after it was pointed out to me that I miss-named the build I did not change it on purpose and thus created a new and original entity that was not named after anyone. | ||
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mOnion
United States5657 Posts
On April 14 2010 07:08 MaximumSquid wrote: Hot_Bid: I checked my PMs and e-mail and didn't see any messages from TL staff so I wasn't entirely certain if the name change was to just to reduce the nonconstructive posts or if it was in fact vandalism. I do; however, appreciate you coming forward even if it was late In the future when I post this on other forums would you have a problem with me linking back here even if I use the original name? Also. . . For the sake of reference Even after it was pointed out to me that I miss-named the build I did not change it on purpose and thus created that new and original entity that was not named after anyone. why would you link this build to other sites? its a bad build. queens are too expensive, attack is weak, and take long to build. stop talking about the name as if it was some sort of legal trademark. your new name was bad/confusing, which is why it got changed. pretend like antill's defense never even existed. your name is still bad. | ||
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MaximumSquid
United States62 Posts
I actually wasn't trying to get an answer when I asked your opinion before. . . Is rhetorical the word I'm think of? Anyway you seem upset and I appologize if I have wronged you somehow. . . In the future though if you need to express interest in things not related to the build's strategy I'd ask that you pm me instead of posting here. . . | ||
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Hold-Lurker
United States403 Posts
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Bubbadub
United States156 Posts
http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft2/replays.php?&p1=bubba&p2=lzgamer By no means is this an entirely thought out strategy with optimal timings etc, it just shows the potential. | ||
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Floophead_III
United States1832 Posts
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MaximumSquid
United States62 Posts
That replay is exactly what we were looking for. . . Bubba ( playing Zerg ) pushes out at 5:30, which I offered to people as a strat against a Terran Wall-off, and succeeds! LzGaMeR eventually pushes him out, but he then transitions into a second expansion for Muta / Ling which is what a lot of people in the thread have been asking to see. | ||
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RoL
United States22 Posts
Heres a link of my [url blocked] following pretty closely the build order you provided, lemme know what you think. | ||
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