EPTWhat can Zerg do against early void ray? - Page 7
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Slunk
Germany768 Posts
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zomgzergrush
United States923 Posts
On March 12 2010 03:10 lgd-haze wrote: Have you tried getting lair up exactly when queen finishes? I don't know the exact timing for fastest void ray rush. But I haven't died to it yet. The build I use is 14 pool 16 (when mineral reaches ~106) gas 16 ovvie 16queen 19~20 Lair+nat. Skipping roaches, going straight for hydra speedling. Works like a charm against most protoss builds. Except 2 gate i go: 13 pool 14 gas 15 ov queen after pool is done ~20 lair, nat, 2nd gas ** lair goes up right after queen pops 2nd queen immediately after lair As I said before, this gives me a 2nd queen at around 6:20. I also skip roaches when I see tech. Plat P's always do robo timing pushes on me so I seldom get practice vs this build. Are you extractor tricking for the 14 pool? I extractor trick just for the drone scout, I still save an extra larvae to get the pool down at 13. I don't know if this makes a significant timing difference tho, may want to try 14 pool myself. I completely forgot about transfusion. 2 queens should be fine vs 2 voidrays then in that case | ||
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member1987
141 Posts
If you scouted the void ray early, you could have tech to hydralisks pretty quickly. I mean tier 2 for zerg should be fast, no matter if you decide to build roaches or not. Once you have lair, the hydralisk den is pretty quick to build and I'm certain one queen can hold her own against a void ray, and with a bit of micro you can easily held 1 void ray until you can build hydralisks. Void rays build time is pretty slow and even with chrono boost you should be able to spawn 7 hydralisks for every 1 void ray, of course this is if you use the queens spawn larva ability, but even if you are not its 3 hydralisks to 1 void ray in build time. | ||
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3nickma
Denmark1510 Posts
If you spottet it early enough maybe you could get a handfuld of Hydras in time. If not then do not use the Inject Larvae ability. Instead save the energy for Transfusion which you'll need to defend and maybe an expo or two. That way you could make up for the lost Larvae with additional Hatcheries while amassing an army to counter his rush and run him over. Just a thought. | ||
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zomgzergrush
United States923 Posts
On March 12 2010 04:31 member1987 wrote: You should have put overlords all around his base, so you can scout as effectively as you can, without your ovies being killed. If you scouted the void ray early, you could have tech to hydralisks pretty quickly. I mean tier 2 for zerg should be fast, no matter if you decide to build roaches or not. Once you have lair, the hydralisk den is pretty quick to build and I'm certain one queen can hold her own against a void ray, and with a bit of micro you can easily held 1 void ray until you can build hydralisks. Void rays build time is pretty slow and even with chrono boost you should be able to spawn 7 hydralisks for every 1 void ray, of course this is if you use the queens spawn larva ability, but even if you are not its 3 hydralisks to 1 void ray in build time. Can people like this please stop posting in this thread? Do you even have the beta? Yes, I will spawn 7 hydralisks for his 1 void ray with my nonexistent den Actuallyyyy I should just save my breath and don the irrelevant information filter goggles... *goggles on* On March 12 2010 04:55 3nickma wrote: Yeah maybe Transfusion was intended like that. Scout the Protoss and if he turtles and tech to Void Ray you have two options depending upon how soon you've scouted it and how quick he's teching. If you spottet it early enough maybe you could get a handfuld of Hydras in time. If not then do not use the Inject Larvae ability. Instead save the energy for Transfusion which you'll need to defend and maybe an expo or two. That way you could make up for the lost Larvae with additional Hatcheries while amassing an army to counter his rush and run him over. Just a thought. I really like that idea actually, just save the energy. I'm not sure if its necessary to save the energy that early, though, as you may only need that if you encounter 2 void rays. Then again, I think 2 queens do fine vs 2 voidrays on their own... | ||
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cartoon]x
United States606 Posts
It may also be possible the protoss is very, very fast teching to void rays (basically getting no units but a few zealots). If this is the case, and you are infact dealing with a highly accelerated warp ray rush (If such a build order could exist), the solution may just be to storm in there with a ton of zerglings and punish him for his overly fast tech. That part is just me speculating.. | ||
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Half
United States2554 Posts
You can keep a overlord to scout until he gets stalkers. By the time he gets stalkers, it should be incredibly easy to tell if hes rushing void rays or not. | ||
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mondry
United States40 Posts
The opening for it will look like 1 gate cyb core tech. Once you scout that there are only 3 possible out comes I think. 3-4 warpgate rush, robo facility, or void ray / phoenix rush. So continue to have your drone qued up with movements and the 1 zealot / probes will never be able to kill him. In the mean time, keep pumping drones, I wouldn't even make a single fighter, get both gas going super quick and start Lair with the first 100 gas after you que queen / pool finishes, it should not take long at all. Roaches are useless against 2 of those 3 builds so unless you start seeing more gateways go down I would just skip them. The main thing to understand with these protoss quick techs is that you don't need the early units to survive so you just delay yourself in making them. Throw out the hydra den and you'll have 2 hydras building as his void ray gets to your base because of travel time. At worst he MIGHT get to kill your queen before they pop but once they do, void ray threat over... on the other hand, if you want to do what you always do and just simply want to be void ray proof just throw down an evo chamber shortly after your pool. I usually have one anyway since i feel like upgrades are just so damn important in every single match up. Make 2 spore crawlers which are teir 1.5 and you will never lose to void rays, ever. If you want a super simple solution that doesn't have any thing to do with knowing timings or even scouting that is basically it. "throw up 2 spore crawlers before 6 minutes are up" and you can't die to void rays. I think that will run you like 275 minerals too, so not a big deal to negate his entire strat anyway... | ||
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
They're a lot stronger than a lot of people give them credit for. Especially if you have a queen healing it. | ||
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CryGirl1921
Poland78 Posts
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FREEloss_ca
Canada603 Posts
Any attempt at a Warpray rush is given away by the lack of gateways and zealots. As a zerg you're pretty safe to build ur economy while the toss sits in his base teching. If he gets a threatening number of zealots at any point before the warprays arrive, you will have 2 hatches with injectors ready to make lings at any second. Save gas by not getting ling speed; lings fighting on their own creep are fast enough. Creep Tumor works nicely for this. A spine crawler never hurts either. | ||
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Stormscion
Serbia27 Posts
What i do is ... one gate > robo > second gate > stargate ... then i push with around 2 sentries 6zealots 2 stalkers and 2 imortals and 2 void rays. Void rays go to main kill the queen / lair while i push on expansion , i think it is not easy to defend that with roaches and tech to hydra usually one base falls sometimes both with lower micro guys ... I dont think void ray rush is really viable at all ... as mentioned above 2 queens will OWN 2 void rays on there own ... you need timing push with ground forces to make them effective. BTW I like void rays as counter to broodlords as well had most success with them so far. It is not really a rush just timing attack the thing that i do. If zerg is going to zerling muta or directly into hydra then you will have problems killing him in my way or even rushing ... but generally it works only vs specific BO that is not really popular anymore with zergs aka roach fast expand. | ||
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FREEloss_ca
Canada603 Posts
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