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ATTx
Profile Joined February 2012
Korea (South)178 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-01 17:56:10
March 21 2021 13:23 GMT
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1.1v
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playable : 144*144

Hello I'm ATTx
I brought a map of 4p after a long time.

all positions are actived.

published in KR server 'Nautilus'
Play it and leave feedback in the comments.

Thanks!

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1.1v update

The central area has expanded.
published in EU,NA server.
5one2heal@gmail.com
keaneu
Profile Joined February 2011
Korea (South)65 Posts
March 22 2021 12:30 GMT
#2
New GSL map!
Director, TitanEX1 Co., Ltd.
nathangonmad
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom317 Posts
March 26 2021 13:14 GMT
#3
love it
Keep trying Leenock
algue
Profile Joined July 2011
France1436 Posts
March 27 2021 11:02 GMT
#4
Super cool map as always
now lets wait for the GSL to dare change its mappool or for the Blizzard intern to change the ladder map pool
rly ?
game0fdr0nes
Profile Joined February 2021
1 Post
March 29 2021 00:03 GMT
#5
How do you get this map on NA?
gplwoo
Profile Joined April 2021
3 Posts
April 03 2021 11:43 GMT
#6
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algue
Profile Joined July 2011
France1436 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-04-05 12:17:54
April 05 2021 12:17 GMT
#7
On March 29 2021 09:03 game0fdr0nes wrote:
How do you get this map on NA?

You don't if he didn't upload it on NA. Gotta play on KR to access it
rly ?
Elsah
Profile Joined April 2021
2 Posts
April 08 2021 20:45 GMT
#8
Can you please upload this map to EU?
ATTx
Profile Joined February 2012
Korea (South)178 Posts
May 01 2021 18:19 GMT
#9
1.1 version update.
5one2heal@gmail.com
Elsah
Profile Joined April 2021
2 Posts
May 17 2021 22:34 GMT
#10
On May 02 2021 03:19 ATTx wrote:
1.1 version update.



Thanks a lot for uploading onto NA and EU!
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10324 Posts
May 19 2021 12:34 GMT
#11
Thanks a lot for creating this!

I really miss bigger, 4 player maps. They create more/better macro games than small maps.
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
sTYleZerG-eX
Profile Joined January 2010
Mexico473 Posts
May 19 2021 14:22 GMT
#12
Are they still using 4p maps on sc2?
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10324 Posts
May 20 2021 02:59 GMT
#13
On May 19 2021 23:22 sTYleZerG-eX wrote:
Are they still using 4p maps on sc2?


Very rarely, this is the first 4p in a while. The rest feel mainly like rehashed maps of the same safe ideas.
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-05-21 23:51:42
May 20 2021 03:07 GMT
#14
On May 20 2021 11:59 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
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On May 19 2021 23:22 sTYleZerG-eX wrote:
Are they still using 4p maps on sc2?


Very rarely, this is the first 4p in a while. The rest feel mainly like rehashed maps of the same safe ideas.


GSL is the only tournament that wants them, and ATTx is the one who makes them for GSL.

edit: Looks like ESL heard you given TLMC 15.
sTYleZerG-eX
Profile Joined January 2010
Mexico473 Posts
May 22 2021 01:45 GMT
#15
I mainly do BW maps, but, I find it ridiculous that they stopped 4p maps and 3p maps for sc2....
10%
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
May 22 2021 02:25 GMT
#16
On May 22 2021 10:45 sTYleZerG-eX wrote:
I mainly do BW maps, but, I find it ridiculous that they stopped 4p maps and 3p maps for sc2....


12 worker start makes 4p maps so much worse. It makes scouting the wrong way so much more punishing.
instanthgfollowers
Profile Joined May 2021
1 Post
May 22 2021 06:23 GMT
#17
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sTYleZerG-eX
Profile Joined January 2010
Mexico473 Posts
June 01 2021 04:38 GMT
#18
On May 22 2021 11:25 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2021 10:45 sTYleZerG-eX wrote:
I mainly do BW maps, but, I find it ridiculous that they stopped 4p maps and 3p maps for sc2....


12 worker start makes 4p maps so much worse. It makes scouting the wrong way so much more punishing.



Why mot just double worker scout?
The intel > extra minerals
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
June 01 2021 05:07 GMT
#19
On June 01 2021 13:38 sTYleZerG-eX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2021 11:25 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On May 22 2021 10:45 sTYleZerG-eX wrote:
I mainly do BW maps, but, I find it ridiculous that they stopped 4p maps and 3p maps for sc2....


12 worker start makes 4p maps so much worse. It makes scouting the wrong way so much more punishing.



Why mot just double worker scout?
The intel > extra minerals


Double scouting is hugely damaging to your economy given that sc2's 12 worker economy snowballs faster. So no, the intel is not worth it. If the opponent is doing something normal you're quite far behind. If you get intel that the opponent is cheesing the fact that you double scouted seriously harms your ability to hold the cheese.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10324 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-06-01 23:07:11
June 01 2021 22:53 GMT
#20
On June 01 2021 14:07 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2021 13:38 sTYleZerG-eX wrote:
On May 22 2021 11:25 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On May 22 2021 10:45 sTYleZerG-eX wrote:
I mainly do BW maps, but, I find it ridiculous that they stopped 4p maps and 3p maps for sc2....


12 worker start makes 4p maps so much worse. It makes scouting the wrong way so much more punishing.



Why mot just double worker scout?
The intel > extra minerals


Double scouting is hugely damaging to your economy given that sc2's 12 worker economy snowballs faster. So no, the intel is not worth it. If the opponent is doing something normal you're quite far behind. If you get intel that the opponent is cheesing the fact that you double scouted seriously harms your ability to hold the cheese.


I'm a bit confused, given you have more workers at the beginning, doesn't it mean that sending 1 more worker hurts less? In WoL and HotS with 4p maps, it was still a thing to double worker scout. Surely sending 2 workers out when you only had ~15 at the time, is more harmful compared to 2 when you have maybe ~20 now when you want to scout.

While I can see how the increased econ start does make rushes/cheeses more important to scout very early on, since you have less time to prepare for them, I think the variety that 3p and 4p maps give is very beneficial to the game and spectating experience, even if progamers personally don't feel comfortable playing on them.

And I think that with good map design, and use of new features like accel/de-accel zones to have greater control over how fast your scouts/rushes are, it's possible to mitigate the strength of early rushes while still reaping the benefits of having a 3-4p map (which allow for a more spread out, longer macro game, which are much more rare to see in LotV lately than peak WoL with maps like Tal'Darim and Whirlwind as ironic as that is).

For players who are much more skilled and want to avoid coinflippy games on 3-4p maps, I don't see the issue with them picking safe builds, even if it means it is less greedy and the lesser opponent might get away with a really greedy build. Or outright banning it for their match if it is Bo3 or Bo5. With good map design and large enough maps, the strength of early and mid game death pushes can be kept weaker, and help the game draw out longer with more chances for the player to comeback or catch up once they survive past midgame.

I think 3p-4p maps still have potential and I thinks Nautilus is proving to be a very good map so far, so I'm excited to see more. I guess I'm lucky, I'm glad ESL is exploring 3p-4p more with TLMC15. I didn't know ATTx was making maps for GSL either, good job and thanks for your effort ATTx!!

(Another reason I like 3p-4p maps, other than them tending to be overall bigger, is because the other mains end up being potential expo locations with small ramps and cliffs protecting them, something that is very common in BW but some reason basically nonexistant in SC2 maps even though static defense and even positional units like Lurkers are already weaker. I think having far off expos which normally are harder to reinforce, have things like small chokes to help compensate, would be interesting as it gives more choices for expos and makes the map more dynamic. The only map of recent I can think of that had interesting expo options and many expo paths, and far away expos with relatively small chokes, was Golden Wall. Obviously it's very hard to make as unique and solid of a map as that though.)

So far 2000 Atmosphere is proving to be a great map that provides lots of spread out macro games that don't end in just 1 push in early-mid game, I'm fine if there are more 2p maps like that, and maybe only 1 3-4p per season.

Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
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