TeamLiquid Map Contest Finalists - Page 8

On May 21 2013 04:24 GeOnoSis wrote:


It's obvious that this map would need some MAJOR CHANGES in gameplay or otherwise would be pretty imbalanced imo, but do you really want every map to be like this? Either that, or players would waste a lot of time, trying to figure out how to play it, which would definetely require a lot of time. Just to know how you should play on this one single map. I don't want to say that new things are bad. There will always be a change in gameplay and just the general pace, which is a good thing I guess! But there is a point where creativity and "change" goes to far and will just produce many problems and bad gameplay. What do you think about Klonats Mire? Fucking AWESOME, isn't it? Well if you think so.. you will neve get my point anyways I guess. I don't want to insult anyone, just making clear what I mean and how I mean it. Sorry for bad writing, explanation and just general english btw.

rofl, 'in your opinion', Enough said. Klontas? who knows, who cares, they tried something new, maybe it will be bad, maybe it will be great. It's not a 'waste of time'. Nothing is lost for trying. Veto it if you don't like it, others will experiment. You can play the standard maps all you want buddy.

Well, I am master, but I don't see the obvious major changes required. I can see that perhaps, if proved by extensive testing, the map can be broken. With WoL knowledge, I can say that yes, it is likely to be broken.

But we are playing HotS. When is the last time you faced a PvP 4-gate that warped in your base? Never I guess. So you don't know how the MC changes the game

I am just a player, I don't design maps, but I'd like to give it a try.

On May 21 2013 04:34 GeOnoSis wrote:


First of all, ofc I say in my opinion, since I can only talk for myself. Saying anthing else would be complete bullshit. People think about things differently, sure, no problem with that. The thing is, this is originally about a contest, where the goal should be to find good maps right? A good map can be creative aswell, it even should IMO(!!!!!) But this is not a map which should get so far in a contest like this. "maybe it will be bad, maybe it will be great." Yeah.. that's pretty much how you think about everything it seems. But should a map, that will maybe be fun or maybe (most likely) be just bad make it to the final maps? I really don't think so.

*cough*

'Maps which encourage the metagame to develop in interesting ways will most likely score well.'

*cough*

On May 21 2013 04:41 GeOnoSis wrote:


You sure know how to properly discuss something. Might aswell discuss with my wall then since it's giving respones, pretty similar to yours. If you think that will develop in interesting ways.. well can't help you sorry.

What's there to discuss? Your basic assumptions were wrong. These kind of maps *should* be in the finals.

On May 21 2013 04:47 GeOnoSis wrote:


Can say same about you. Maybe you're right. Big difference is though, that based on your replies, you would never accept it if you were wrong, which is exactly the reason discussing with most of the people via the internet or actually even IRL is just senseless. Good bye.

On May 21 2013 05:06 Aturion wrote:
these maps look like shit to be honest ... are the people who are making these map bronze players or do they just don´t know How the game works ? most of the maps have Way to much dead space, and too much sapce to abuse really easy, they are not really playable to even comparable to serious maps, noone of them will ever make it to a serious tournament.

On May 21 2013 04:59 chuky500 wrote:
To be fair, Blizzard has made the pylons in HOTS so you can't warp to the high ground for balance purpose, so what's the point of erasing that change just for the sake of it ? You don't see 4 gates anymore but tbh there are so many features in those maps that have been proven to be broken or boring over the years, like the backdoor rocks from Blistering Sands, the siegable natural from Lost Temple and Steppes of War, or impossible 3rds or the "non-droppable wall" that allows you to warp with a prism while hidden. You don't favor experimenting by forcing 3 year old features back in the game, especially when they were broken.

I'd be ok if the finalists were maps with cool features that have never been tested, but the maps don't have those cool features. And if I didn't know who had made those maps I would have said they have very little experience with mapping, because of all the flaws. (btw most mappers posted their submission and made threads on TL so it was pretty hard not to know who'd made the maps).

On May 21 2013 05:06 Aturion wrote:
these maps look like shit to be honest ... are the people who are making these map bronze players or do they just don´t know How the game works ? most of the maps have Way to much dead space, and too much sapce to abuse really easy, they are not really playable to even comparable to serious maps, noone of them will ever make it to a serious tournament.

On May 21 2013 04:05 monk wrote:
The response I gave could have been less harsh, but I believe it was appropriate given that the two comments before me outright directly accused the judges of favoritism.

On May 21 2013 05:06 Aturion wrote:
these maps look like shit to be honest ... are the people who are making these map bronze players or do they just don´t know How the game works ? most of the maps have Way to much dead space, and too much sapce to abuse really easy, they are not really playable to even comparable to serious maps, noone of them will ever make it to a serious tournament.

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