• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 20:49
CEST 02:49
KST 09:49
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview27Code S RO12 Preview: GuMiho, Bunny, SHIN, ByuN3The Memories We Share - Facing the Final(?) GSL46Code S RO12 Preview: Cure, Zoun, Solar, Creator4[ASL19] Finals Preview: Daunting Task30
Community News
Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down0[BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates9GSL Ro4 and Finals moved to Sunday June 15th12Weekly Cups (May 27-June 1): ByuN goes back-to-back0EWC 2025 Regional Qualifier Results26
StarCraft 2
General
The SCII GOAT: A statistical Evaluation Weekly Cups (June 2-8): herO doubles down BGE Stara Zagora 2025: Info & Preview Magnus Carlsen and Fabi review Clem's chess game. Jim claims he and Firefly were involved in match-fixing
Tourneys
Bellum Gens Elite: Stara Zagora 2025 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament SOOPer7s Showmatches 2025 Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) $5,100+ SEL Season 2 Championship (SC: Evo)
Strategy
[G] Darkgrid Layout Simple Questions Simple Answers [G] PvT Cheese: 13 Gate Proxy Robo
Custom Maps
[UMS] Zillion Zerglings
External Content
Mutation # 477 Slow and Steady Mutation # 476 Charnel House Mutation # 475 Hard Target Mutation # 474 Futile Resistance
Brood War
General
Will foreigners ever be able to challenge Koreans? BGH auto balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Mihu vs Korea Players Statistics BW General Discussion [BSL20] ProLeague: Bracket Stage & Dates
Tourneys
[ASL19] Grand Finals NA Team League 6/8/2025 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] ProLeague Bracket Stage - Day 2
Strategy
I am doing this better than progamers do. [G] How to get started on ladder as a new Z player
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Armies of Exigo - YesYes? Nintendo Switch Thread What do you want from future RTS games? Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
LiquidLegends to reintegrate into TL.net
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0 Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Vape Nation Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
Maru Fan Club Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Korean Music Discussion [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NHL Playoffs 2024
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread Cleaning My Mechanical Keyboard
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Cognitive styles x game perf…
TrAiDoS
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Heero Yuy & the Tax…
KrillinFromwales
I was completely wrong ab…
jameswatts
Need Your Help/Advice
Glider
Trip to the Zoo
micronesia
Poker
Nebuchad
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 21967 users

[m] (2) "Remants of Progress"

Forum Index > SC2 Maps & Custom Games
Post a Reply
SiskosGoatee
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Albania1482 Posts
April 22 2013 10:36 GMT
#1
I made this map a while ago, just never got to announcing/completing it. I saw Belly of the Beast and it reminded me of this map. It's on EU and NA.


[image loading]
click for close ups


- spawns: 2.
- main ramp 2 main ramp: 130
- size: 208:148
- texture set: Korhal platform: panels small, panels large light, panels medium, panels large dark, grating; ulaan dirt; castanar small tiles; kaldir snow icy';
- towers: 8 (saying towers are bad without giving a reason is a crime on pain of death)
- doodats: 1332
- expansions: 20; 2 gold; 6 2/3 bases, 2 islands.

Notable features:

- The main features a highly harassable inbase half natural, it can be sieged/fungalled/stormed from the lowground as well as having a droppable ledge. But the twist is, there's a 2000 hp burning CC on it.you can kill it like rocks but it burns down on its own eventually if you don't kill it.

- The main has a 3 width ramp which is blocked by rocks to make it a 1 width one

- There are two island expansions next to your main. Blocking them with creep tumours is a poor man's solution however, these babies are blocked by hostile PF's and turrets.

- There are 2 choices for outward thirds, one is a half base, the other a more forward full base which can be more easily harassed and dropped from the other side

- There are two gold bases, the catch being that both are again blocked by hostile PF's. You can only take a gold if you commit to wrecking the PF.
WCS Apartheid cometh, all hail the casual audience, death to merit and hard work.
EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
April 22 2013 10:52 GMT
#2
This is my favourite map of yours ever. Now that toss has msc for early air vision cliffable first expo is good to go.

20 bases seems like a bit much. You could easily reorganize things around the edges and cut off 10-15% on both sides and drop the corner expo and the island. All that space just seems like "extra" for only 2 people to be using.
Comprehensive strategic intention: DNE
SiskosGoatee
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Albania1482 Posts
April 22 2013 11:06 GMT
#3
I could cut it and it probably won't change much except that the island expo would be pretty weirdly formed, but ultimately it isn't hurting anyone either so I decided to keep it.

The only race to realistically be able to take the inbase as their natural is Terran anyway who could always lift a production building for air vision. P and Z need to start their natural before they can dps down the neutral CC. It's more a third than anything.
WCS Apartheid cometh, all hail the casual audience, death to merit and hard work.
KingCorwin
Profile Joined February 2013
United States134 Posts
April 22 2013 18:48 GMT
#4
I love the hostile PF and turrets on the island bases, it not only looks sweet but it gives the island a true feel of being hard to take (which it should be otherwise terrain can exploit).
On another note, too bad there isnt infested CC's anymore lol

But most importantly, this map needs 5 more doodads please.
Corwin#12780
EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
April 22 2013 19:09 GMT
#5
Oh I didn't even see the neutral CC. Why block that expo so hard? If you really don't want people to town hall first, maybe just put some unbuildable plates instead, much less of a dps requirement.

When was the last time 20 bases were required? imo it might actually produce a degenerate lategame. If you assume both players get a stable 200/200 composition without much trading going on (this has happened in real games before, with some reticence on both sides), and then the map is mined out, this heavily favours protoss and zerg vs terran, and probably protoss a bit vs zerg too. This is because protoss can make 100 warpgates and instantaneously remax. Zerg larvae banking also good but not quite as strong. Is terrran supposed to make that many production and sit for 30-50 seconds for their units? Seems imba.
Comprehensive strategic intention: DNE
SiskosGoatee
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Albania1482 Posts
April 22 2013 19:44 GMT
#6
On April 23 2013 04:09 EatThePath wrote:
Oh I didn't even see the neutral CC. Why block that expo so hard? If you really don't want people to town hall first, maybe just put some unbuildable plates instead, much less of a dps requirement.
Because I more or less envisioned it as a third opposed to a natural. Like I said, it' s burning, so it will burn down on its own, but it has 2000 hp.

When was the last time 20 bases were required?[/quote]It' s not required, but does it hurt in any way?

imo it might actually produce a degenerate lategame. If you assume both players get a stable 200/200 composition without much trading going on (this has happened in real games before, with some reticence on both sides), and then the map is mined out, this heavily favours protoss and zerg vs terran, and probably protoss a bit vs zerg too. This is because protoss can make 100 warpgates and instantaneously remax. Zerg larvae banking also good but not quite as strong. Is terrran supposed to make that many production and sit for 30-50 seconds for their units? Seems imba.
I doubt this map is ever going to get mined out. Turtling is pretty hard here.
WCS Apartheid cometh, all hail the casual audience, death to merit and hard work.
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
April 22 2013 21:05 GMT
#7
Epic map. Neutral enemies blocking expands, ocean, winter, some sci-fi stylized landscape aka platform or station.

Blizzard must introduce it to ladder!!
SiskosGoatee
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Albania1482 Posts
April 22 2013 21:10 GMT
#8
Like blizz is ever going to introduce a neutral burning CC and hostile PF's into the ladder. Even if they're willing to consider the half bases.

It's not suitable for all skill levels, new players would be extremely confused by a neutral burning CC in their own base and would assume the opponent had expanded to the gold.

It would be great if on the map loading screen this stuff could be explained though. A nice little infographic about the peculiarties of a map.
WCS Apartheid cometh, all hail the casual audience, death to merit and hard work.
EatThePath
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States3943 Posts
April 23 2013 02:54 GMT
#9
You can make a custom image if you want, to explain the features, like a lot of custom games use.
Comprehensive strategic intention: DNE
Acertos
Profile Joined February 2012
France852 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-23 20:15:17
April 23 2013 10:28 GMT
#10
This map makes me think of COD lol.
Did you instead of PF try to add neutral agressive units? That would be seriously cool.
Just like in Wc3 some kind of creeps that are hard to kill but give money.
TheFish7
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United States2824 Posts
April 23 2013 13:47 GMT
#11
Map is really big but all the features seem designed to mitigate that. The middle looks like a fun place to have large army battles.

Man that Island makes me wish Corsairs were still in the game

On April 23 2013 19:28 Acertos wrote:
This map makes me think of COD lol.

ya me too lol
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]
~ ~ <°)))><~ ~ ~
lil emo
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France109 Posts
May 03 2013 11:20 GMT
#12
I hate grey .. how come I like this map

should be a specter vs ghost ums hahahahahhahahahahahahahahaha
never was so much owed by so many to so few (W Churchil)
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 10h 11m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
NeuroSwarm 181
CosmosSc2 154
Livibee 133
RuFF_SC2 87
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 1024
Icarus 10
Dota 2
LuMiX1
League of Legends
tarik_tv7853
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1115
PGG 24
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang013826
Mew2King168
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor158
Other Games
summit1g7947
FrodaN1887
shahzam1086
JimRising 692
ViBE251
elazer249
ToD140
Maynarde139
KnowMe60
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream6940
Other Games
gamesdonequick782
BasetradeTV155
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 19 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH310
• Hupsaiya 63
• davetesta19
• gosughost_ 5
• Mapu4
• Kozan
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• sooper7s
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki19
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• Ler121
League of Legends
• Doublelift5899
• Shiphtur708
Upcoming Events
Wardi Open
10h 11m
Replay Cast
23h 11m
Replay Cast
1d 9h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 10h
WardiTV Invitational
1d 10h
GSL Code S
2 days
Rogue vs GuMiho
Maru vs Solar
Online Event
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
GSL Code S
3 days
herO vs Zoun
Classic vs Bunny
The PondCast
3 days
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
3 days
WardiTV Invitational
4 days
Korean StarCraft League
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
Cheesadelphia
5 days
GSL Code S
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

CSL Season 17: Qualifier 2
BGE Stara Zagora 2025
Heroes 10 EU

Ongoing

JPL Season 2
BSL 2v2 Season 3
BSL Season 20
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 2
NPSL S3
Rose Open S1
CSL 17: 2025 SUMMER
2025 GSL S2
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25
ECL Season 49: Europe
BLAST Rivals Spring 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters
CCT Season 2 Global Finals
IEM Melbourne 2025
YaLLa Compass Qatar 2025
PGL Bucharest 2025
BLAST Open Spring 2025

Upcoming

Copa Latinoamericana 4
CSLPRO Last Chance 2025
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
K-Championship
SEL Season 2 Championship
Esports World Cup 2025
HSC XXVII
Championship of Russia 2025
Murky Cup #2
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.